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Romney's birth certificate evokes his father's controversy(released today! evokes O's BC)
Chicago Tribune/Reuters ^ | May 29, 2012 | Mark Hosenball

Posted on 05/29/2012 5:46:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Finally, there is definitive proof: The presidential candidate was born in the United States, and his father was not.

Yes, Republican Mitt Romney appears eligible to be president, according to a copy of Romney's birth certificate released to Reuters by his campaign. Willard Mitt Romney, the certificate says, was born in Detroit on March 12, 1947.

His mother, Lenore, was born in Utah and his father, former Michigan governor and one-time Republican presidential candidate George Romney, was born in Mexico.

So on a day when real estate and media mogul Donald Trump was trying to help Mitt Romney by stirring up a new round of questions about whether Democratic President Barack Obama was born in the United States, Romney's own birth record became a reminder that in the 1968 presidential campaign, his father had faced his own "birther" controversy.

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KEYWORDS: certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; romney; trump
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Let's subject Willard's BC to the same FR scrutiny applied to Barry's BC!

Willard is clearing the decks for Trump's and Arpaio's onslaught against Barry's BC. Now Barry's team can't say "Where's Willard's BC?"

1 posted on 05/29/2012 5:46:25 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

The big difference is Willard’s grandparents were US Citizens and since Mexico doesn’t grant birthright citizen, Willard’s dad was a US Citizen (not dual) based on his parent’s citizenship. Willard’s dad may not be NBC due to place it could be argued, but being a citzen, it does make Willard NBC.


2 posted on 05/29/2012 5:49:23 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: LucyT; melancholy; null and void; Brown Deer; Red Steel

ping to release of Willard’s BC!

Fantastic timing, which lefties at Reuters are spinning as exposing “for the first time” proof of the ineligibility of Willard’s father, rather than clearing the decks for a forensic comparison of Willard’s BC vs. Barry’s BC.


3 posted on 05/29/2012 5:49:23 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

when did George Romney become a US citizen? before or after Mitt’s birth?

before... Mitt is eligible

after... Mitt is not eligible

it’s that simple.

apply the same criteria for ALL POTUS and VPOTUS candidates


4 posted on 05/29/2012 5:51:24 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Seizethecarp
At one point, the Congressional Research Service - an arm of the Library of Congress that is supposed to provide authoritative but impartial research for elected members - advised that its analysts agreed with George Romney, according to a congressional source.

In a paper in November aimed at clarifying presidential eligibility, the Congressional Research Service declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.

Interesting.

5 posted on 05/29/2012 5:51:24 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Seizethecarp
Rhetorical question. Why is the bottom cropped off and not the full BC published? No seal. I mean it looks ok but . . . . . .

I think he should at least copy the whole thing.

6 posted on 05/29/2012 5:55:56 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Seizethecarp

Afterbirthers are going to mess their britches now! What is a “natural born citizen”? Ain’t Mittens. Ain’t Obammy.


7 posted on 05/29/2012 5:55:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: sten

when did George Romney become a US citizen? before or after Mitt’s birth?
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He was born a US citizen, both his parents were US citizens.


8 posted on 05/29/2012 5:57:29 PM PDT by kara37
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To: Seizethecarp

9 posted on 05/29/2012 5:58:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Seizethecarp
From the article:

In November, 1967 ... the Congressional Research Service declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.

One of the commenters to the article is asking for Gov. Romney's long-form. After a judicious delay, the Romney campaign should provide that.

10 posted on 05/29/2012 6:02:04 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Drew68
In a paper in November aimed at clarifying presidential eligibility, the Congressional Research Service declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.

That silly CRS white paper was taken apart more times than a tinker toy.

11 posted on 05/29/2012 6:03:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for putting up the image.

Looks like another COLB like the first image Barry’s team tried to fob off on the public. It was issued January 18, 2012, so to be fair, I suggest that we all demand Willard’s original 1947 BC!


12 posted on 05/29/2012 6:05:44 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Red Steel
That silly CRS white paper was taken apart more times than a tinker toy.

Could you summarize?

13 posted on 05/29/2012 6:07:13 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: mnehring

“The big difference is Willard’s grandparents were US Citizens and since Mexico doesn’t grant birthright citizen...”

Mexico grants citizenship to those who are born in Mexico.

So therefore, George Romney was a Mexican citizen.

In addition, Mexico recognizes the children of Mexican citizens born outside of Mexico to be Mexican citizens.

Therefore, Mitt Romney is a Mexican citizen.


14 posted on 05/29/2012 6:12:29 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Seizethecarp

(from the article:)

ROMNEY’S DANCE WITH TRUMP

Mitt Romney has tried to avoid getting caught up in Trump’s focus on Obama’s birthplace.

“Governor Romney has said repeatedly that he believes President Obama was born in the United States,” said Eric Fehrnstrom, a senior adviser to Romney.

However, the presumed Republican nominee has not distanced himself from Trump, creating what some analysts said seems to be a quiet endorsement of Trump’s efforts to raise questions about Obama among voters.

Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, said that Trump and Romney never talk about issues Trump has raised elsewhere regarding Obama’s birth certificate. Instead they talk about jobs, the economy and other matters of public policy.

Asked whether Trump sees any double standard in going after Obama when Romney’s father faced similar questions about his presidential eligibility, Cohen told Reuters: “I don’t think (Trump) has ever thought about Mitt Romney’s father’s birth certificate.”

Cohen said Trump recently revived the issue of Obama’s birthplace because journalists asked him about the issue after a right-wing website published an old blurb for an Obama book that suggested that Obama was born in Kenya. The literary agent who wrote the blurb subsequently said it was written in error.

Cohen said Trump believes “the president of the United States should be the single most transparent human being on this planet. This president lacks that transparency.”


15 posted on 05/29/2012 6:13:27 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Red Steel

Looks like Mitt has the problem of being a dual citizen and is not qualified.


16 posted on 05/29/2012 6:15:00 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Red Steel

Shouldn’t that scan be a multi-layered PDF? < /sarc >


17 posted on 05/29/2012 6:18:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: Kennard

The CRS White Paper cites to the Marguet-Pillado case, a dishonest, delusional case, IMO on which I posted an FR vanity thread here:

“Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya (vanity)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2857598/posts?page=1


18 posted on 05/29/2012 6:20:27 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Uncle Slayton
It's like "Dancing With The Stars". Who cares?

The American people are idiots.

19 posted on 05/29/2012 6:27:14 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”)
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To: Seizethecarp

This could be one of the reasons the state-controlled media likes Mitt as a candidate so much.

McCain was not born in the USA, either, technically, and they loved him too.

Until the day after the nominating question.


20 posted on 05/29/2012 6:27:41 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Seizethecarp

A Certificate of Live Birth - NOT a Birth Certificate. Where have I seen one of THOSE before?

Issued January 18, 2012.

Showing his father born in MEXICO.

So our candidates for President are a Kenyan Muslim and a Mexican Mormon.

NEITHER of the two candidates is an American OR a Christian.

NO NO NO!

I will NOT participate in the destruction of America, and BOTH of these represent it.


21 posted on 05/29/2012 6:27:58 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: Red Steel

I just noticed! On the sides, the watermark says “VOID”!


22 posted on 05/29/2012 6:30:23 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: Hilda

That is a standard security feature which appears any time the original 2012 COLB is scanned...


23 posted on 05/29/2012 6:34:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: DBrow

“McCain was not born in the USA, either, technically, and they loved him too.”

Note that unlike McCain, Willard _was_ born in the USA. It is Willard’s father who is like McCain...born outside the USA to two US citizens, although McCain’s father was in active US military service.


24 posted on 05/29/2012 6:38:00 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

George could have become a US citizen on reaching age of majority and executing naturalization procedures. Where is the evidence he did this before age 40 (or even at all).

And all it takes for Mitt to gain Mexican citizenship today is go to the Mexican consul’s office and sign some paperwork.

for further reading on George’s run for POTUS :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20829167/Natural-Born-Citizen-Congressional-Record-6-14-1967-p-15875-80#fullscreen:on


25 posted on 05/29/2012 6:42:19 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Seizethecarp
I don't believe the BC that Obama presented is authentic either. However, I wish the focus would shift from his place of birth to what other reasons there might be for keeping his BC hidden (for so long, even if he claims the one he presented is real). I think the focus should be on who was Obama's real Daddy (Frank Marshall?) - or even the Mommy as it is possible that Obama was adopted in Kenya, but the son of Obama Sr and another woman...and the Kenyan grandmother did see him born there, just not to Stanley Ann. Perhaps that is why this is kept such a secret.

Remember...on the last version of the BC that Obama released it states that his father's "race" is "African."

African is not a race...any more than American, British, Chinese...are "races." They are countries of birth. I am an American...but my race is Caucasian/White. Race was always described as being: Caucasian (later White), Oriental, Hispanic, and...in the 1960's, the word Negro was used. And often in those days the Negro population were also referred to as "Colored people."

After all, the NAACP was formed for them...and the initials stand for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

It was not until the late 1960's that the word "Negro" was replaced by "Black" and that was because of the unkind slang term associated with "Negro." And later still, "Black" was replaced by "African-American."

So whoever prepared the fraudulent BC was stuck ... they wanted to be Politically Correct by today's standards, but they didn't know their history or the terminology used at the time Obama was born. They wrote "African," as his father's race...(obviously stuck with today's terminology African-American now used).

And, if in Hawaii...people of dark-skin were considered "African" as a race...what about all the other islanders in the world who have dark skin but were not born in Africa? Do they use, for example, "Caribbean" to describe the race of those people with dark skin who were born on any of those islands?

This is one point that I think brings up the most flags about Obama's BC being a fraud.

26 posted on 05/29/2012 6:43:11 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: Seizethecarp

It’s a myth to think a foreign born child of a US parent is automatically a US Citizen.

The US parent or parents must apply for US Citizenship with supporting documentation to the US State Department for a Certificate of Citizenship. If granted, the Certificate of Citizenship serves as the foreign born child’s proof of US Citizenship. Without a Certificate of Citizenship issued by the US State Dept, the foreign born child does not have a way to prove US citizenship.

Without a Certificate of Citizenship, the foreign born child of US Parents remains a citizen of the country where they were born. For example, John McCain was a citizen of Panama until his parents applied to the US State Department for his Certificate of Citizenship. After the Certificate of Citizenship was issued, McCain was considered to be a US Citizen at birth.

Obama’s mother never applied for BHO II to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship. Obama’s mother applied for a US visa so BHO II could enter the country with her. When BHO II graduated High School in Hawaii, he was a Permanent Resident Alien legally residing in the US. Obama naturalized as a US Citizen in 1983 after he reached the age of majority.


27 posted on 05/29/2012 6:43:21 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: Seizethecarp

Noticed that too. I agree.

I also noticed that his certificate number isn’t blacked out like it was on Obama’s original release.


28 posted on 05/29/2012 6:44:03 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: CitizenM
One other point:

Saying Obama's father's race is "African" because he was from Africa leads one to believe that...if his father had been from America, but Black...then in Hawaii, they would have had to use the term "American" as his father's race.

Obviously, again, whoever drew up the fake BC got his terminology confused. A country of origin does not necessarily denote the "race" of a person!

29 posted on 05/29/2012 6:47:09 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: Uncle Slayton
Looks like Mitt has the problem of being a dual citizen and is not qualified.

A messed up election year.

We may see a Natural Born Citizen scale from 1 to 10 where one could point to the NBC scale and brag that my presidential candidate is more natural born than yours. Obama gets only a 1.2 score on the natural born scale and Mittens gets a 6.9! /sarc

30 posted on 05/29/2012 6:53:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: CitizenM
A country of origin does not necessarily denote the "race" of a person!

Not to mention a continent.

31 posted on 05/29/2012 6:54:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Seizethecarp

“....and one-time Republican presidential candidate George Romney, was born in Mexico.”

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Isn’t the USA in Mexico?


32 posted on 05/29/2012 6:58:53 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Exactly...a person from Kenya, for example, is referred to as a Kenyan - that is his country. His "race" is black. Africa is the continent.

I wonder, today, if those born in Hawaii...have the word "American" put on their birth certificates where race is designated? After all, they are now Americans. Or do they use "Hawaiian?" Or "Native Hawaiian?" Or "Hawaiian-American?? Or what - to describe the race??? Because if their race is not Hawaiian, actually, and their parents were from, say Japan, then their race would be "Oriental," and if they are white, their race is "Caucasian." I know they used to use the term "Pacific Islanders," for the native population, but now that Hawaii is a state, what is used? It would be interesting to find out, I am sure another FReeper can tell us.

33 posted on 05/29/2012 7:10:44 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: wrench

“George could have become a US citizen on reaching age of majority and executing naturalization procedures. “

Sorry, but birth to US citizen parents, even on foreign soil, makes George Romney a “born” US citizen with no need to naturalize. While George was not “natural born” due to his foreign birth, there is no requirement that a ‘Natural Born Citizen’s” parents be themselves Natural Born, or for that matter born citizens, Naturalized will do nicely)


34 posted on 05/29/2012 7:14:24 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Seizethecarp
The "CRS White Paper" to which you refer is likely the one authored by Jack Maskell on November 14, 2011, shortly after the 2011 9th Circuit Marguet-Pillado decision: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf You question obiter dicta from that decision. The 2011 CRS White Paper does not discuss a fact pattern where only one parent of a foreign-born presidential candidate was a citizen at the time of the candidate's birth.

The CRS opinion that the above article references was authored by CRS in 1967 concerning the eligibility of George Romney. The 1967 CRS opinion is alleged to state that such a foreign-born child of only one citizen would be "natural born".

Has this 1967 CRS opinion been debunked?

35 posted on 05/29/2012 7:17:57 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Kennard
Has this 1967 CRS opinion been debunked?

This is the first time that it has popped up on the radar probably since 1967. The OBots didn't know about it until now or very very recently.

The 2011 CRS White Paper does not discuss a fact pattern where only one parent of a foreign-born presidential candidate was a citizen at the time of the candidate's birth.

Without even looking at it - it is highly likely ...99.9998% certainty that it is bunk.

36 posted on 05/29/2012 7:27:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: sten

Get over your Mitt-is-not-eligible-to-be-president-happy-dance. Unlike the fake in the WH, both of Mitt’s parents are/were U.S. citizens and we are sure he was born in Michigan.


37 posted on 05/29/2012 7:31:10 PM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: Forty-Niner

Sorry, nope again. The rules in effect when George was born did not make him a US citizen. It gave him dual citizenship till age of majority, at which time he could apply for US citizenship. Otherwise he was a Mexican citizen.

There is also the issue of his father renouncing his US citizenship when he fled to Mexico to avoid prosecution in the US for polygamy.


38 posted on 05/29/2012 7:33:35 PM PDT by wrench
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To: madison10

Mittens was born in the US, so he is a citizen. BUT, he is like Obama (in many, many ways) not proven to be a Natural Born Citizen of the US. This clause was put in the Constitution to preclude ANY mixed loyalties in any future POTUS. Mitt was born to a Mexican National, and has loyalties to Mexico as well as the US.


39 posted on 05/29/2012 7:38:56 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Seizethecarp

Someone from his camp should create a layered fake birth certificate like Obama’s, then provide the real original to show the difference. Then challenge Obama to do the same.


40 posted on 05/29/2012 7:47:49 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: Red Steel

I searched www.opencrs.com and found no trace of the November 1967 CRS opinion.


41 posted on 05/29/2012 7:49:00 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: madison10

did i say Mitt wasn’t eligible? no. i stated the obvious.

if both parents were citizens at the time of his birth, Mitt is eligible.

if not... then he isn’t

the same basic criteria MUST be applied to any that wish to be on the ballot for POTUS or VPOTUS

there really isn’t anything to argue

unless you’re saying Mitt’s parents weren’t both US citizens at the time of his birth... and you’re feeling exposed as you support him (i honestly don’t know whether his parents were or not)

and no, just because his father was born in mexico doesn’t automatically disqualify Mitt... his father could have picked up US citizenship before Mitt was born.


42 posted on 05/29/2012 7:55:00 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Seizethecarp

Why do you think the powers that be chose Romney for us just like they did McCain only it backfired with MCCain; well sort of.


43 posted on 05/29/2012 7:56:31 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: wrench

“George could have become a US citizen on reaching age of majority and executing naturalization procedures.”

IIRC, by returning to the US at age 7 naturalization was not required for him to reclaim US citizenship.


44 posted on 05/29/2012 8:05:33 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: wrench; LucyT; Brown Deer; Fantasywriter

Interesting info on Romney and NBC status.

So Romney’s grandfather renounced his US citizenship when he fled to Mexico? So Romney’s grandfather was a Mexican citizen when George Romney was born, is that what you are saying?

That is quite fascinating.


45 posted on 05/29/2012 8:18:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Seizethecarp; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...


release of Willard’s BC!

Fantastic timing, which lefties at Reuters are spinning as exposing “for the first time” proof of the ineligibility of Willard’s father, rather than clearing the decks for a forensic comparison of Willard’s BC vs. Barry’s BC.

46 posted on 05/29/2012 8:21:24 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp
OH NOEZ !!!
47 posted on 05/29/2012 8:23:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: sten
when did George Romney become a US citizen?

On the day he was born.
48 posted on 05/29/2012 8:26:52 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: mnehring

BS>>>>BS>>>>BS>>>>BS

Needs be born on US soil. Romney not qualified!

He is not a NBC.


49 posted on 05/29/2012 8:30:58 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: wrench
The rules in effect when George was born did not make him a US citizen. It gave him dual citizenship till age of majority, at which time he could apply for US citizenship. Otherwise he was a Mexican citizen.

Really, then I'm sure that you can show us a copy.

There is also the issue of his father renouncing his US citizenship when he fled to Mexico to avoid prosecution in the US for polygamy.

That's interesting, since his father wasn't a polygamist.
50 posted on 05/29/2012 8:34:39 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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