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Romney's birth certificate evokes his father's controversy(released today! evokes O's BC)
Chicago Tribune/Reuters ^ | May 29, 2012 | Mark Hosenball

Posted on 05/29/2012 5:46:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Finally, there is definitive proof: The presidential candidate was born in the United States, and his father was not.

Yes, Republican Mitt Romney appears eligible to be president, according to a copy of Romney's birth certificate released to Reuters by his campaign. Willard Mitt Romney, the certificate says, was born in Detroit on March 12, 1947.

His mother, Lenore, was born in Utah and his father, former Michigan governor and one-time Republican presidential candidate George Romney, was born in Mexico.

So on a day when real estate and media mogul Donald Trump was trying to help Mitt Romney by stirring up a new round of questions about whether Democratic President Barack Obama was born in the United States, Romney's own birth record became a reminder that in the 1968 presidential campaign, his father had faced his own "birther" controversy.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; romney; trump
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To: Seizethecarp

A Certificate of Live Birth - NOT a Birth Certificate. Where have I seen one of THOSE before?

Issued January 18, 2012.

Showing his father born in MEXICO.

So our candidates for President are a Kenyan Muslim and a Mexican Mormon.

NEITHER of the two candidates is an American OR a Christian.

NO NO NO!

I will NOT participate in the destruction of America, and BOTH of these represent it.


21 posted on 05/29/2012 6:27:58 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: Red Steel

I just noticed! On the sides, the watermark says “VOID”!


22 posted on 05/29/2012 6:30:23 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: Hilda

That is a standard security feature which appears any time the original 2012 COLB is scanned...


23 posted on 05/29/2012 6:34:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: DBrow

“McCain was not born in the USA, either, technically, and they loved him too.”

Note that unlike McCain, Willard _was_ born in the USA. It is Willard’s father who is like McCain...born outside the USA to two US citizens, although McCain’s father was in active US military service.


24 posted on 05/29/2012 6:38:00 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

George could have become a US citizen on reaching age of majority and executing naturalization procedures. Where is the evidence he did this before age 40 (or even at all).

And all it takes for Mitt to gain Mexican citizenship today is go to the Mexican consul’s office and sign some paperwork.

for further reading on George’s run for POTUS :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/20829167/Natural-Born-Citizen-Congressional-Record-6-14-1967-p-15875-80#fullscreen:on


25 posted on 05/29/2012 6:42:19 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Seizethecarp
I don't believe the BC that Obama presented is authentic either. However, I wish the focus would shift from his place of birth to what other reasons there might be for keeping his BC hidden (for so long, even if he claims the one he presented is real). I think the focus should be on who was Obama's real Daddy (Frank Marshall?) - or even the Mommy as it is possible that Obama was adopted in Kenya, but the son of Obama Sr and another woman...and the Kenyan grandmother did see him born there, just not to Stanley Ann. Perhaps that is why this is kept such a secret.

Remember...on the last version of the BC that Obama released it states that his father's "race" is "African."

African is not a race...any more than American, British, Chinese...are "races." They are countries of birth. I am an American...but my race is Caucasian/White. Race was always described as being: Caucasian (later White), Oriental, Hispanic, and...in the 1960's, the word Negro was used. And often in those days the Negro population were also referred to as "Colored people."

After all, the NAACP was formed for them...and the initials stand for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

It was not until the late 1960's that the word "Negro" was replaced by "Black" and that was because of the unkind slang term associated with "Negro." And later still, "Black" was replaced by "African-American."

So whoever prepared the fraudulent BC was stuck ... they wanted to be Politically Correct by today's standards, but they didn't know their history or the terminology used at the time Obama was born. They wrote "African," as his father's race...(obviously stuck with today's terminology African-American now used).

And, if in Hawaii...people of dark-skin were considered "African" as a race...what about all the other islanders in the world who have dark skin but were not born in Africa? Do they use, for example, "Caribbean" to describe the race of those people with dark skin who were born on any of those islands?

This is one point that I think brings up the most flags about Obama's BC being a fraud.

26 posted on 05/29/2012 6:43:11 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: Seizethecarp

It’s a myth to think a foreign born child of a US parent is automatically a US Citizen.

The US parent or parents must apply for US Citizenship with supporting documentation to the US State Department for a Certificate of Citizenship. If granted, the Certificate of Citizenship serves as the foreign born child’s proof of US Citizenship. Without a Certificate of Citizenship issued by the US State Dept, the foreign born child does not have a way to prove US citizenship.

Without a Certificate of Citizenship, the foreign born child of US Parents remains a citizen of the country where they were born. For example, John McCain was a citizen of Panama until his parents applied to the US State Department for his Certificate of Citizenship. After the Certificate of Citizenship was issued, McCain was considered to be a US Citizen at birth.

Obama’s mother never applied for BHO II to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship. Obama’s mother applied for a US visa so BHO II could enter the country with her. When BHO II graduated High School in Hawaii, he was a Permanent Resident Alien legally residing in the US. Obama naturalized as a US Citizen in 1983 after he reached the age of majority.


27 posted on 05/29/2012 6:43:21 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: Seizethecarp

Noticed that too. I agree.

I also noticed that his certificate number isn’t blacked out like it was on Obama’s original release.


28 posted on 05/29/2012 6:44:03 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: CitizenM
One other point:

Saying Obama's father's race is "African" because he was from Africa leads one to believe that...if his father had been from America, but Black...then in Hawaii, they would have had to use the term "American" as his father's race.

Obviously, again, whoever drew up the fake BC got his terminology confused. A country of origin does not necessarily denote the "race" of a person!

29 posted on 05/29/2012 6:47:09 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: Uncle Slayton
Looks like Mitt has the problem of being a dual citizen and is not qualified.

A messed up election year.

We may see a Natural Born Citizen scale from 1 to 10 where one could point to the NBC scale and brag that my presidential candidate is more natural born than yours. Obama gets only a 1.2 score on the natural born scale and Mittens gets a 6.9! /sarc

30 posted on 05/29/2012 6:53:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: CitizenM
A country of origin does not necessarily denote the "race" of a person!

Not to mention a continent.

31 posted on 05/29/2012 6:54:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Seizethecarp

“....and one-time Republican presidential candidate George Romney, was born in Mexico.”

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Isn’t the USA in Mexico?


32 posted on 05/29/2012 6:58:53 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Exactly...a person from Kenya, for example, is referred to as a Kenyan - that is his country. His "race" is black. Africa is the continent.

I wonder, today, if those born in Hawaii...have the word "American" put on their birth certificates where race is designated? After all, they are now Americans. Or do they use "Hawaiian?" Or "Native Hawaiian?" Or "Hawaiian-American?? Or what - to describe the race??? Because if their race is not Hawaiian, actually, and their parents were from, say Japan, then their race would be "Oriental," and if they are white, their race is "Caucasian." I know they used to use the term "Pacific Islanders," for the native population, but now that Hawaii is a state, what is used? It would be interesting to find out, I am sure another FReeper can tell us.

33 posted on 05/29/2012 7:10:44 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: wrench

“George could have become a US citizen on reaching age of majority and executing naturalization procedures. “

Sorry, but birth to US citizen parents, even on foreign soil, makes George Romney a “born” US citizen with no need to naturalize. While George was not “natural born” due to his foreign birth, there is no requirement that a ‘Natural Born Citizen’s” parents be themselves Natural Born, or for that matter born citizens, Naturalized will do nicely)


34 posted on 05/29/2012 7:14:24 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Seizethecarp
The "CRS White Paper" to which you refer is likely the one authored by Jack Maskell on November 14, 2011, shortly after the 2011 9th Circuit Marguet-Pillado decision: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf You question obiter dicta from that decision. The 2011 CRS White Paper does not discuss a fact pattern where only one parent of a foreign-born presidential candidate was a citizen at the time of the candidate's birth.

The CRS opinion that the above article references was authored by CRS in 1967 concerning the eligibility of George Romney. The 1967 CRS opinion is alleged to state that such a foreign-born child of only one citizen would be "natural born".

Has this 1967 CRS opinion been debunked?

35 posted on 05/29/2012 7:17:57 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
Has this 1967 CRS opinion been debunked?

This is the first time that it has popped up on the radar probably since 1967. The OBots didn't know about it until now or very very recently.

The 2011 CRS White Paper does not discuss a fact pattern where only one parent of a foreign-born presidential candidate was a citizen at the time of the candidate's birth.

Without even looking at it - it is highly likely ...99.9998% certainty that it is bunk.

36 posted on 05/29/2012 7:27:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: sten

Get over your Mitt-is-not-eligible-to-be-president-happy-dance. Unlike the fake in the WH, both of Mitt’s parents are/were U.S. citizens and we are sure he was born in Michigan.


37 posted on 05/29/2012 7:31:10 PM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: Forty-Niner

Sorry, nope again. The rules in effect when George was born did not make him a US citizen. It gave him dual citizenship till age of majority, at which time he could apply for US citizenship. Otherwise he was a Mexican citizen.

There is also the issue of his father renouncing his US citizenship when he fled to Mexico to avoid prosecution in the US for polygamy.


38 posted on 05/29/2012 7:33:35 PM PDT by wrench
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To: madison10

Mittens was born in the US, so he is a citizen. BUT, he is like Obama (in many, many ways) not proven to be a Natural Born Citizen of the US. This clause was put in the Constitution to preclude ANY mixed loyalties in any future POTUS. Mitt was born to a Mexican National, and has loyalties to Mexico as well as the US.


39 posted on 05/29/2012 7:38:56 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Seizethecarp

Someone from his camp should create a layered fake birth certificate like Obama’s, then provide the real original to show the difference. Then challenge Obama to do the same.


40 posted on 05/29/2012 7:47:49 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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