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Gun Manufacturers Rifle Making Suggestion
me | May 18 2012 | Yosemitest

Posted on 05/18/2012 3:35:36 PM PDT by Yosemitest



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Outdoors; Travel
KEYWORDS: 22lr; backpacking; banglist; browning270wsm; brownings270wsm; circuitjudge; gunporn; henry; hiking; m6scout; rossi; ruger1022; survival; taurus
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To: x1stcav
... Point well taken.
51 posted on 05/18/2012 4:58:13 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
If you do settle on a 22, there is always this one.

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52 posted on 05/18/2012 4:58:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (When immutable definition of Bible marriage of One Man, One Woman, is in jeopardy, call the Mormon.)
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To: Yosemitest

While we’re at it:

I’d like a midweight .223 auto...
that was as reliable as an AK...
that takes AR mags...
with lightweight aluminum or stamped steel construction, designed from the outset to work with a piston mechanism, and accepts a folding stock (no buffer tube).

Accuracy isn’t paramount. 2” groups at 100 would make me happy.

Don’t get me wrong. I like AR’s, but want something that’s almost zero maintenance, without the infuriating “star chamber”.

The .223 AK and Mini 14 are close, but take special mags. The Kel-Tec SU 16 from a functionality standpoint is perfect (except for the aforementioned star chamber), but there’s too much plastic. Not that I’m opposed to that, but I worry about long term durability.

There’s really nothing out there that fits this niche.

Is there?


53 posted on 05/18/2012 4:59:19 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Yosemitest

Modify the AR7 to support either: .22 mag, .223, 7mm-08 or 9x23


54 posted on 05/18/2012 5:00:56 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Yosemitest
I hear you don't like 5.56, but see if this might float your boat...

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MSRP = $770...Click pic for more info (you can fire it when folded.... but I am not sure if you can walk into NY with this...)

55 posted on 05/18/2012 5:01:01 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yosemitest

headspace issues. resulting in overpressure and booooooom


56 posted on 05/18/2012 5:01:42 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Yosemitest

Passing thru they will give you a very hard time.


57 posted on 05/18/2012 5:03:23 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Yehuda

Do you have one of those?

I came within a frog’s hair of buying one. Went with an AR instead. And it won’t fire steel cased ammo (at least not for long). Wonder if the SU would be any better?


58 posted on 05/18/2012 5:03:38 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Errant
$500.00 is a little less than the Circuit Judge, and 7 lbs is a little heavy, but not much.
I agree with you about a shotgun's multipurpose capabilities, and I have several 12 gauges already.
That one could be put into a quick draw position on the pack.
It IS a thought to consider, but it'd be louder than the Circuit Judge.
59 posted on 05/18/2012 5:05:31 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

They’re definitely pricey, but you don’t necessarily have to buy new, and it’s pretty hard to wear one out.


60 posted on 05/18/2012 5:06:06 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ansel12

Your link didn’t tell me what it is or how much it cost, or where to get one.


61 posted on 05/18/2012 5:07:58 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

I think you may be creating a “floor wax and dessert topping” paradox, here. If you want a rifle that is good at everything, what you get will probably be good for nothing.

Most everywhere you will want to hike has its own rules and regulations. If you are on federal land, or state land, whether the terrain is mountainous, forested, desert, or who knows what, you will need different equipment, and just as importantly, there is equipment you don’t want.

Make sure your hunting and fishing licenses are up to date.

Best rule about bears is DO NOT SHOOT BEARS. If you want to drive them off, try pepper spray or an air horn. In the lower 48, they are mostly black bears that are fairly peaceable. In Canada or Alaska, they are grizzly bears that you practically would need an elephant gun to stop. Same with polar bears. Just leave them be. This is their house.

The two most dangerous critters in the lower 48 are big cats and canines, increasing numbers of wolves and coyotes. A .22 is more than enough to convince a big cat, a mountain lion or bobcat, to bugger off. And the same with a coyote.

The rules about wolves are changing, however, so you must know the local conditions, and what the locals use against them if they are becoming a nuisance.

Two other problems are feral dogs and your fellow human, both of which can be a major pain in the butt.

TL;DR - A .22 should suffice. And don’t hunt unless you have a hunting license, or you will get a fine that will make your teeth swim.


62 posted on 05/18/2012 5:09:07 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Yosemitest

I love a good gun porn thread. Thanks!


63 posted on 05/18/2012 5:09:34 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
I'm not an expert on the .223, although I did make Expert Marksman with one in 1994.
But I agree that a survival, lightweight, breakdown .223 as you described, would sell.
64 posted on 05/18/2012 5:10:29 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: cayuga; Yosemitest
Based upon other cases you may want to rethink. This guy is out of jail only because Christie commuted his sentence. It is very un gun friendly up there.

At trial Brian Aitken’s defense team showed the jury Brian’s three FBI background checks to lawfully purchase firearms, a number of witnesses—including a Mount Laurel police officer—testified that Brian was moving between residences and all witnesses—including the Mount Laurel police officer—testified that Brian’s firearms were unloaded & locked in the trunk of his car exactly as New Jersey State Law requires…Brian knew how to do this because he had called the New Jersey State Police days earlier to ensure he was in compliance with the law…a fact the Judge ruled inadmissible in the court room.

65 posted on 05/18/2012 5:10:36 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Yosemitest

Nah. It just takes me to a web site. I’ll have to go to the gun store to get to the gun. ;-)


66 posted on 05/18/2012 5:10:43 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Yehuda

That Keltec is something to think about.


67 posted on 05/18/2012 5:12:02 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: eartick
Okay. That makes sense about the Stinger ammo in the Ruger 10/22/
68 posted on 05/18/2012 5:13:42 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Ratman83
They might, but it's still legal.
Also phone calls ahead make a lot of difference.
69 posted on 05/18/2012 5:15:04 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

See 65.


70 posted on 05/18/2012 5:16:43 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Yosemitest

Have you looked at the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 (.40 S&W) or their SU 16 (.223)?
Both are lightweight and fold up into a smaller, more easily transported package.


71 posted on 05/18/2012 5:18:48 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Yosemitest

I don’t know what it is, I think it came off an Air Force plane (post 52) but I do own one. Just piggy backing on your thread and hoping someone knows what it is.


72 posted on 05/18/2012 5:23:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (When immutable definition of Bible marriage of One Man, One Woman, is in jeopardy, call the Mormon.)
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To: tacticalogic
Okay, thanks. "GunsAmerica.coma" has a used one in stainless for $825.00 plus $25.00 for shipping and with $25.00 at the other end for paperwork, that's cheaper.
I like the "hard to wear out" side of it.
73 posted on 05/18/2012 5:23:17 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: RandallFlagg
My pleasure.
Hey, everyone has something to add, and everyone learns something.
74 posted on 05/18/2012 5:24:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

I have had several Garands over the years and it is by far my favorite rifle.


75 posted on 05/18/2012 5:24:40 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Yosemitest

If a bear is menacing you, the louder the better. A 12 guage loaded with 00 Buck, if you stumble into a druggy’s camp, might save your life. Low brass shells for subsistence hunting, isn’t going to be much louder than a 410 and certainly quieter than a 45 colt revolver; I’ve got two. I have to use ear muffs with the revolvers, but don’t with my 45 colt lever action rifle. The space between the cylinder and forcing cone is going to make the circuit judge pretty loud. I’ve never shot one but I’ve never seen a revolver (even a .22) that wasn’t a lot louder than a rifle or shotgun in the same caliber. A 410 shotgun isn’t that great for bringing home game. A 20 guage might be a good compromise between game getting ability and would offer a big reduction in weight. It’s also a popular black bear gun for youth in Alaska, using slugs.


76 posted on 05/18/2012 5:33:55 PM PDT by Errant
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To: FLAMING DEATH

A little heavy and it does not use AR mags.

http://centerfiresystems.com/rifle-c93.aspx


77 posted on 05/18/2012 5:43:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ratman83
New Jersey can be bypassed, and you can mail your firearm ahead from Stroudburgh, Pennsylvania to Port Jervis, New York.
Also
Brian Aitken "confided in his mother during a moment of emotional distress at home that life wasn't worth living."
He was caught with two HAND GUNS, not rifles.
But if New Jersey doesn't want hikers' money, we can always MOVE the Appalachian Trail, bypassing New Jersy by keeping it in Pennsylvania until Port Jervis, New York.
78 posted on 05/18/2012 5:47:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Ratman83
New Jersey can be bypassed, and you can mail your firearm ahead from Stroudburgh, Pennsylvania to Port Jervis, New York.
Also
Brian Aitken "confided in his mother during a moment of emotional distress at home that life wasn't worth living."
He was caught with two HAND GUNS, not rifles.
But if New Jersey doesn't want hikers' money, we can always MOVE the Appalachian Trail, bypassing New Jersy by keeping it in Pennsylvania until Port Jervis, New York.
79 posted on 05/18/2012 5:48:10 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Errant

I’ve got a couple of Mossberg 500’s. VERY dependable. Have one outfitted with the Pachmyr Vindicator kit for home defense, and another with the long stock, for work in the field dealing with varmints and such (two legged and four legged).
These have been the most affordable, reliable tools in my arsenal over the last 40 years or so.


80 posted on 05/18/2012 5:53:46 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Yosemitest
I say a take down 30-30/12 g over and under with 20” barrel. Singe shot 30-30 can be loaded stiff with 150 gr Nosler Partition and the 12 g can be slug, buck or bird shot w/ threaded chokes.

Savage (I think) used to make one without the take down and threaded choke. Someone should again.

81 posted on 05/18/2012 5:54:18 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Yosemitest

You missed the point, he did nothing illegal and he called and confirmed with the State police beforehand and yet he was still convicted.


82 posted on 05/18/2012 5:55:57 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Errant
I've got a Taurus 4410 that's not too loud and I fire it alot both with .410 and .45LC.
It's a good weapon.
83 posted on 05/18/2012 6:00:47 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
Another possiblilty, IMO, would be the savage model 24 over & under in 20 gauge and 22 LR. It breaks down into a small package and you could look around for a synthetic stock and foregrip.


84 posted on 05/18/2012 6:01:03 PM PDT by Errant
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To: mylife
That's close. If the innards are faithful to the original HK, it'd be reliable too.

I wondered about one of these. Seems cobbled together, but this guy seems ecstatic:

My Saiga takes AR-Mags

If it works, this would be PERFECT.

85 posted on 05/18/2012 6:02:36 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Ratman83
I got that.
New Jersey should vote everyone involved with that conviction out of office.
But they were still HAND GUNS, not rifles.
86 posted on 05/18/2012 6:03:49 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: MileHi
I've looked for something similar to that, and can remember in the 1970's, seeing several like you describe.
But those combos are hard to come by now.

87 posted on 05/18/2012 6:06:09 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

Looks like hiking the Appalachian Trail with any type of firearm is all but impossible to do and stay legal. :

New Firearm Regulations for the National Park Service

As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms on portions of the Appalachian National Scenic Trail.

This applies to:

This only applies to lands owned by the U.S. Government and managed by the National Park Service, Appalachian Trail Park Office. This includes 428 miles of trail, 25 % of the trail’s length in 9 of the 14 trail states.

This does not apply to:

This does not apply to the Appalachian Trail located on lands owned and managed by the more than 90 other federal, state and local agencies. This includes 1747 miles of trail, 80 % of the trails length across all 14 states. Rules and regulations on these lands are determined by the individual agencies.

Please note:

The Appalachian National Scenic Trail, a unit of the national park system, is administered by the National Park Service, Appalachian Trail Park Office. The Appalachian Trail spans 2,179 miles across lands administered by 6 other national parks, 8 National Forests, 1 National Wildlife Refuge, and 75 other federal, state, and local agencies. Each one of these agencies has their own rules and regulations which contributes to the complexity of legally carrying a firearm on the Appalachian Trail.

It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before visiting the Appalachian Trail.

What has not changed:

The use of weapons are still prohibited on Appalachian Trail National Park Service lands

Hunting is still prohibited on Appalachian Trail National Park Service lands

Firearms are still prohibited inside National Park Service federal facilities


88 posted on 05/18/2012 6:06:42 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Yosemitest
What's the pattern like at say 20 steps? :) The rifled barrel isn't going to give you much squirrel killing capability in a tall tree.

I make and shoot shot shells in my 45 colt revolvers. They're great for snakes at less than five steps but worthless after that. I figure the 410 down a rifled barrel isn't going to be much better, though I have no experience with one.

89 posted on 05/18/2012 6:09:36 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Yosemitest

Shame that. I know there was a 30-39/12 g with very nice wood. Expensive but good if you could only have one gun.


90 posted on 05/18/2012 6:11:38 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: PubliusMM

Yep, they’re hugely popular for a good reasons.


91 posted on 05/18/2012 6:12:52 PM PDT by Errant
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To: MileHi

Sorry, 30-30/12 g


92 posted on 05/18/2012 6:17:17 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ansel12

What is it?


93 posted on 05/18/2012 6:17:59 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: wrench
We still need to change those laws and RE-ENFORCE the Second Amendment.

...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That law is definitely an INFRINGEMENT
94 posted on 05/18/2012 6:20:46 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Errant
Any shotgun is about barrel length.
At 20 paces the number 7 is probably about a 6 foot diameter on a long barrel, and on a three inch barrel, it's about 12 feet.
To do any damage with number 7 shot, you've got to be within 20 feet.
95 posted on 05/18/2012 6:23:46 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

Kel Tec SUB 2000 in 40 cal Glock configuration. Folds to 16 inches, packs a real punch with a 16 inch barrel pushing 40 cal ammo. Mags can be in 15 to 32 count, insert into the pistol grip and can be folded with the loaded mag in place.


96 posted on 05/18/2012 6:30:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

the innards are HK93


97 posted on 05/18/2012 6:32:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

the saigas are ok except for the trigger, which is a little long


98 posted on 05/18/2012 6:34:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Yosemitest

You are absolutely correct. Yet, how many of those law makers held up their hand and swore to support and defend the Constitution?


99 posted on 05/18/2012 6:36:15 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Yosemitest
If you want handy and light, 5 lbs, cheap, $150, 12 gauge. You can bring bird shot, buckshot, and slugs. If it's just to have for emergencies, it'll do.
100 posted on 05/18/2012 6:43:52 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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