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WORLD EXCLUSIVE: NASA FINDS MISSING MOON LANDING TAPES
Daily Express (UK) ^ | Sunday June 28 2009 | Ted Jeory

Posted on 07/09/2009 10:44:21 PM PDT by Rodamala

ECSTATIC space officials at Nasa could be about to unveil one of their most stunning discoveries for 40 years — new and amazingly clear footage of the first moon landing.

The release of the new images next month could be one of the most talked about events of the summer.

The television images the world has been used to seeing of the historic moment when Neil Armstrong descended down a ladder onto the moon’s surface in 1969 is grainy, blurry and dark.

The following scenes, in which the astronauts move around the lunar lander, are so murky it is difficult to make out exactly what is going on, causing conspiracy theorists to claim the entire Apollo 11 mission was an elaborate fraud.

However, viewers have only ever seen such poor quality footage because the original analogue tapes containing the pictures beamed direct from the lunar surface were lost almost as soon as they were recorded.

Instead, a poor quality copy made from a 16mm camera pointing at a heavily compressed image on a black and white TV screen has been the only record of the event.

(Excerpt) Read more at express.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: anniversary; apollo11; history; moon; moonlanding; science; space
"The Sunday Express can now reveal that the missing tapes containing the original high quality images have been found."

Maybe we need to get Ted Jeory to find BHO's birth certificate?

1 posted on 07/09/2009 10:44:21 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

“the pictures beamed direct from the lunar surface were lost almost as soon as they were recorded.”

And we’re to believe that really happened— NASA lost the tapes? I just can’t believe that.


2 posted on 07/09/2009 10:50:30 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: KevinDavis; sig226

Space Ping


3 posted on 07/09/2009 10:54:31 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: Rodamala
What exclusive.. this has been out in the news for months
4 posted on 07/09/2009 10:54:46 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: Rodamala
The television images the world has been used to seeing of the historic moment when Neil Armstrong descended down a ladder onto the moon’s surface in 1969 is grainy, blurry and dark.

And we liked it that way!

Personally, I think this is much ado about nothing. The broadcast images were of poor quality, and I don't believe there are any "high quality" images, just more perfect records of the original poor quality images.

There was a big improvement in image quality in later missions, but this was its whole own story. Some start-up company approached NASA with their image processing technology, and NASA bought it, and it was good.

5 posted on 07/09/2009 10:56:25 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Cedar
And we’re to believe that really happened— NASA lost the tapes? I just can’t believe that.

Stuff like walking on the moon for the first time is just routine stuff, like any other day. NASA probably just had some intern kid in charge of the video footage.

6 posted on 07/09/2009 10:59:10 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: tophat9000

Whatev.... I was asked to put this in it’s own thread when I linked to the article elsewhere. I tried to see if it was posted on FR already, but didn’t see it.


7 posted on 07/09/2009 11:01:54 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Cedar
" And we’re to believe that really happened— NASA lost the tapes? I just can’t believe that. " ......

This would be called one of those yes ? or no ? answers .

Yes, it could have been some were for 40 years by a few people's knowledge considering the significance of this historical event.....

But ? no.... consider it's government issued .... when government get's it's hands on anything, anything is bound to get messed up.
8 posted on 07/09/2009 11:21:03 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Cedar
NASA cleaned up all the alien artifacts first. /sarc

So, were these Apollo films hidden in a musty fiber box under James Angleton's old desk?

9 posted on 07/09/2009 11:21:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Think the article says the main tapes were in Australia, but somehow they ended up in a closet or something for 40 years.

NASA goes to precise details for the moon landing, hundreds of engineers and years of preparation, millions of dollars spent....and somehow they don’t give instructions to Australia on what to do with the tapes??

No, I just don’t buy it.


10 posted on 07/09/2009 11:26:36 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar
"No, I just don’t buy it."

If you had ever spent anytime working for a large, government bureaucracy, believe me, you'd believe it.

It's for that reason alone, I refuse to believe a single, government-themed conspiracy.

11 posted on 07/09/2009 11:43:22 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Rodamala; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; jpsb; ...

Photo of slow scan monitor showing Neil Armstrong
decending from the lunar module.

If you want on or off this aerospace ping list, please contact Paleo Conservative or phantomworker by Freep mail.


13 posted on 07/09/2009 11:54:31 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Rodamala

http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11_EVA_stills/index.html


14 posted on 07/09/2009 11:56:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Rodamala; MindBender26; jmcenanly; BerryDingle; webschooner; MamaB; RDasher; thefrankbaum; ...
Here's a link to an article I posted a few hours ago about the project to restore moon imgages tranmitted to Earth by the Lunar Orbiters sent by NASA in the 1960's

The lost NASA tapes: Restoring lunar images after 40 years in the vault
Computerworld ^ | June 29, 2009 | Lamont Wood
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2289311/posts
Posted on 7/9/2009 5:32:33 PM by Paleo Conservative

15 posted on 07/10/2009 12:01:46 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Cedar

I have no trouble believing a giant US government bureaucracy, aided by a giant Australian government bureaucracy, could lose these tapes. But I’m quite sure this won’t “lay the conspiracy theories to rest” as the NASA officials seem to imagine. People believe in conspiracy theories because they want to, not because the available evidence supports the theory. This long-delayed appearance of the clearer original images will just be added to the conspiracy theorists’ arsenal, with claims that the resurfacing of the tapes after 40 years is implausible, this is just how long it took NASA to cook up good fakes, since they had to wait for technology to improve, yadda, yadda.


16 posted on 07/10/2009 12:18:42 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Nice images thanks for the link. I love getting to see history like this. The photos give the moon new and richer look. It is stuff like this when that makes one say “I am an American and Proud of it!!!”. I hope the they are able to get the video footage ready in time for the 40th anniversary.

America can do great things we just got to forget about all the fringe stuff that left is going on about get it together, focus like a laser, and just do it.

17 posted on 07/10/2009 12:20:21 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Cedar

“Think the article says the main tapes were in Australia, but somehow they ended up in a closet or something for 40 years.”

They weren’t lost for 40 years, it’s just that the tape guys just got back from their smoke break after 40 years.... things don’t happen too fast down this part of the world ;-)


18 posted on 07/10/2009 12:31:14 AM PDT by AussieJoe
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To: Rodamala
A government agency screwed something up? That never happens.
19 posted on 07/10/2009 2:25:06 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Rodamala
There's a great Australian semi-fictional, semi-factual movie called The Dish from a few years ago that tells the story of what happened at the Australian radio telescopes used during Apollo XI.

That's bulls**t. You just bulls**tted NASA!

*****

Reporter: No offense, but NASA spends fifteen years, hundreds of millions of dollars so that we can watch man walk on the moon and in the end it falls to you blokes! I mean, how do you feel about that?
Ross "Mitch" Mitchell: A lot better before you opened your trap!

*****

Mayor Bob McIntyre: You've just got to tell them.
Cliff Buxton: That we lost Apollo 11?
Mayor Bob McIntyre: Well, I wouldn't say that first.
Cliff Buxton: What would you say first?
Mayor Bob McIntyre: How about "hey, you'll never guess what happened...”

*****

Janine Kellerman: You have a gun!
Rudi Kellerman: Yep. Official NASA requirement, armed security.
Janine Kellerman: Does mum know?
Rudi Kellerman: No. And don't you tell her, either! She might come up here and take it off me or something.

*****

Al Burnett: Not everyone at NASA is a hotshot college genius. The guy I most admire is from a one-horse town in Ohio.
Ross 'Mitch' Mitchell: And what's he do?
Al Burnett: Tomorrow he's gonna walk on the moon.

20 posted on 07/10/2009 2:46:53 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Rodamala

This is the first I’ve heard of the finding of these tapes. But the fact that they were missing was fodder for the uber-paranoid “moon landings were faked” garbage, so bravo!

The lost NASA tapes: Restoring lunar images after 40 years in the vault
Computerworld | June 29, 2009 | Lamont Wood
Posted on 07/09/2009 5:32:33 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2289311/posts


21 posted on 07/10/2009 5:02:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Now that you mention it................Obviously, they went there and came back. Not even NASA could cook up a Brolin/OJ coverup of this immensity. But what has always amazed me (if you lived through this period as I did) was that they actually even attempted it.

It was a suicide mission. A computer with all the power of a Hershey Bar controlling a mission with a lander that had never actually been flown because it couldn't have been, sheesh! These guys should be dessicated skeletons floating around the sun by now.

But the biggest question is why risk killing or even worse, stranding, guys on the surface of the moon watching them die. The Soviets would have had the upper hand and America would have been criticized by the rest of the world for RUSHING into space with no safeguards etc., etc. Talk about a throw of the dice.

22 posted on 07/10/2009 5:03:07 AM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: Rodamala; Paleo Conservative; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; ...

Verrrrrrrry Interrrresting!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/110442/WORLD-EXCLUSIVE-NASA-finds-missing-moon-landing-tapes

Ping! Ping! Ping!


23 posted on 07/10/2009 5:46:21 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: y'all

Verrrry Interrrresting!


24 posted on 07/10/2009 5:47:27 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: Paleo Conservative
SIX years earlier!:


25 posted on 07/10/2009 5:48:54 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: Rodamala

“Were lost almost as soon as they were recorded.”

Wow! Affirmative action hiring in 1969?


26 posted on 07/10/2009 5:53:53 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (The ground at Arlington is moving & shaking.)
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To: naturalman1975

I bet it’s good. Why is it Australia makes such great movies and Hollywood makes such crap? I know Australia must make some stinkers, but usually they are very good, beautiful photography, good story line, etc.


27 posted on 07/10/2009 6:11:33 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: Cedar

That the tapes were misplaced has been well known for a long time. This is very easy to do in an institution that keeps tons and tons of data. At my laboratory, we have a warehouse of data storage packed ceiling high with mostly dusty storage.

I had heard a couple years ago that NASA was making an attempt to discover whether these tapes were gone forever or just misplaced. I am excited that they have found them!


28 posted on 07/10/2009 7:14:44 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Cedar
And we’re to believe that really happened— NASA lost the tapes? I just can’t believe that.

Hey, this is the same NASA that helped fudge numbers for the global warming hoax - opps, I mean 'global warmning eco emergency... I mean, not "fudge" but provide... I mean... how dare you! /s

29 posted on 07/10/2009 7:31:06 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 07/10/2009 7:33:19 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thank you, I would’ve missed this without the ping (it also happens to be my first ever memory).


31 posted on 07/10/2009 7:35:14 AM PDT by califamily4W (Freedom!)
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To: Rodamala

thanks for posting. I’d heard about the tapes. Didn’t know they’d located them.


32 posted on 07/10/2009 7:51:18 AM PDT by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: zeugma

bttt


33 posted on 07/10/2009 7:53:33 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Doc Savage

Yes, I definitely lived through that period. Even had “the moon rock” spend a couple of nights in my home when I was in late elementary school (dad’s job involved escorting Neil Armstrong around for a few days, while he was on his international victory tour with the moon rock).

Looking back on it now, it seems insane to have undertaken such a venture with the primitive computers that were state of the art then (so primitive that it was still much easier to do calculations on a slide rule, as demonstrated so well in the historically accurate movie Apollo 13). But our technology didn’t seem primitive to us at the time, of course, just as the technology we have now doesn’t seem primitive to us now (our grandchildren will no doubt giggle over the giant, glitch-prone boxes we currently think of as our very advanced computers). Forging ahead with optimistic confidence is responsible for most of the worthwhile achievements of the human species.


34 posted on 07/10/2009 9:39:00 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Rodamala

Why not release them on July 20?


35 posted on 07/10/2009 3:37:05 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: dr_lew; Rodamala
Personally, I think this is much ado about nothing. The broadcast images were of poor quality, and I don't believe there are any "high quality" images, just more perfect records of the original poor quality images.

That is incorrect. The video camera system used on the lunar module was designed to minimize bandwidth and battery power (and the weight of the addtional batteries). It sent a 320 line non-interlaced signal at 10 frames per second.

The old NTSC broadcast standard that was discontinued last month has interlaced 525 lines at 30 frames per second (about 480 for the picture, the rest between frames), while the PAL and SEACAM systems has interlaced 625 lines at 25 frames per second. The video transmitted around around the world had to be converted from the non-standard video transmissions from the lunar module to other standards like NTSC in the US, PAL in most of Europe and Australia, and SECAM in France (the Soviet Union didn't carry the video). Nowadays one would use a digital scan converter. Back in 1969, it was done mechanically or optically. Getting the original signal recordings would allow the video data to be converted to digital and digitally scan converted.

TV from the Moon

The television camera taken to the lunar surface was a Westinghouse designed and built slow-scan black and white camera with a vertical resolution of 320 lines scanned at 10 frames per second. This camera was chosen because the available bandwidth from the Moon (500kHz) was not sufficient for a standard TV signal.

On Earth, the received slow scan signal was converted to a standard TV picture (in this case, the American standard of 525 lines and 30 frames per second) using specially built scan converters. At Goldstone and Honeysuckle, the conversion was done on site. The Parkes slow scan TV signal was sent to the OTC (Overseas Telecommunications Commission) Paddington gateway exchange in Oxford Street, Paddington, in Sydney and converted there.


36 posted on 07/10/2009 4:38:29 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I do have trouble believing even giant bureaucracy would lose tapes of the THE VERY FIRST landing on the moon.

But I’m not into the conspiracy stuff. Just don’t believe they would be that stupid to lose something of such great importance and value to the world.


37 posted on 07/10/2009 10:22:41 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar

Cedar wrote:

I do have trouble believing even giant bureaucracy would lose tapes of the THE VERY FIRST landing on the moon.


I’ve been dealing with the government for over 7 years on my private business.

You have just about every kind of “John Doe” on that payroll....

Basically it becomes a “your guilty before proven innocent” sometimes when it comes to dealing with the government. Some are nice, some are not. Just toss that dice.......


38 posted on 07/12/2009 1:58:26 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: Rodamala

NASA Holds Briefing to Release Restored Apollo 11 Moonwalk Video

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=28712

These aren’t from the lost telemetry tapes but from the the scan converted broadcast signal at NASA. Still apparently they are from the best available copy prior to the telemtry tapes being found.


39 posted on 07/14/2009 9:37:36 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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