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Rap Music Originated in Medieval Scottish Pubs, Claims American Professor
The Telegraph ^ | 28 Dec 2008 | Simon Johnson

Posted on 12/29/2008 3:18:10 PM PST by nickcarraway

Professor Ferenc Szasz argued that so-called rap battles, where two or more performers trade elaborate insults, derive from the ancient Caledonian art of "flyting".

According to the theory, Scottish slave owners took the tradition with them to the United States, where it was adopted and developed by slaves, emerging many years later as rap.

Professor Szasz is convinced there is a clear link between this tradition for settling scores in Scotland and rap battles, which were famously portrayed in Eminem's 2002 movie 8 Mile.

He said: "The Scots have a lengthy tradition of flyting - intense verbal jousting, often laced with vulgarity, that is similar to the dozens that one finds among contemporary inner-city African-American youth.

"Both cultures accord high marks to satire. The skilled use of satire takes this verbal jousting to its ultimate level - one step short of a fist fight."

The academic, who specialises in American and Scottish culture at the University of New Mexico, made the link in a new study examining the historical context of Robert Burn's work.

The most famous surviving example of flyting comes from a 16th-century piece in which two rival poets hurl increasingly obscene rhyming insults at one another before the Court of King James IV.

Titled the Flyting Of Dunbar And Kennedy, it has been described by academics as "just over 500 lines of filth".

Professor Szasz cites an American civil war poem, printed in the New York Vanity Fair magazine on November 9, 1861, as the first recorded example of the battles being used in the United States.

Professor Willie Ruff, of Yale University, agreed that Scottish slave owners had a profound impact on the development of African American music traditions.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: blues; godsgravesglyphs; rap; scot; scotland; thedozens
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I recently saw a 1947 British move, The Brothers at an old movie house. There is a scene were two family patriarchs exchange elaborate insults in front of the whole village. One of my friends made the comparison with the modern exchanges. The Brothers (1947)
1 posted on 12/29/2008 3:18:10 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Striaght outta Glasgow, aye.


2 posted on 12/29/2008 3:19:14 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Striaght = Straight


3 posted on 12/29/2008 3:19:41 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: nickcarraway
Titled the Flyting Of Dunbar And Kennedy, it has been described by academics as "just over 500 lines of filth".

[1rudeboy rushes off to place the title on his Amazon wish list]

4 posted on 12/29/2008 3:20:54 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Army Air Corps

Aye. Strawberry, Strawberry is the village wench . . . .


5 posted on 12/29/2008 3:21:04 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: nickcarraway

Aye lad, yo whaddup 50 Shilling?


6 posted on 12/29/2008 3:22:45 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Next, I should read some Bonnie Bobby Burns aloud with a heavy backbeat in the background.


7 posted on 12/29/2008 3:24:43 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, here is a rap song from 1962 anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ9U4Cbb4wg


8 posted on 12/29/2008 3:25:31 PM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

That is some funny shite, yo.


9 posted on 12/29/2008 3:26:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: nickcarraway

Including pirates. Yo ho ho and all that.


10 posted on 12/29/2008 3:32:04 PM PST by doodad
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To: HerrBlucher

They forgot the grill work, ebony ho’s, guns and pants at half mast!


11 posted on 12/29/2008 3:32:23 PM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: nickcarraway
"See you, Jimmie...."
12 posted on 12/29/2008 3:34:17 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: 1rudeboy
>>1rudeboy rushes off to place the title on his Amazon wish list

Here's a link...
The Flyting of Dunbar and Kennedie

13 posted on 12/29/2008 3:37:53 PM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: Bender2

Amusement ping.


14 posted on 12/29/2008 3:38:35 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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Well, when I started reading I was dubious. However, when I saw this:

"just over 500 lines of filth"

I thought, that sounds like rap.

15 posted on 12/29/2008 4:01:02 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Fitty Pence.

This is a SNL/Mad TV skit waiting to happen.


16 posted on 12/29/2008 4:01:28 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite

Fitty pence - I’m pure gonnae chib ye!


17 posted on 12/29/2008 4:10:49 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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18 posted on 12/29/2008 5:33:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Snuupin O’Doggie?


19 posted on 12/29/2008 5:40:02 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: nickcarraway
In his book Black Rednecks and White Liberals, Thomas Sowell makes a similar argument about other elements of black culture, including some of the more negative ones.
20 posted on 12/29/2008 5:41:21 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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