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Is The Second Amendment Worth Dying For?
The Federalist ^ | February 19, 2018 | John Daniel Davidson

Posted on 02/19/2018 6:53:53 AM PST by Sopater

In November 2007, the novelist David Foster Wallace wrote a short essay for a special edition of The Atlantic on “The American Idea.” Writing about 9/11 and all that came after, Wallace proposed what some might consider a monstrous thought experiment:

Are some things still worth dying for? Is the American idea one such thing? Are you up for a thought experiment? What if we chose to regard the 2,973 innocents killed in the atrocities of 9/11 not as victims but as democratic martyrs, ‘sacrifices on the altar of freedom’? In other words, what if we decided that a certain baseline vulnerability to terrorism is part of the price of the American idea? And, thus, that ours is a generation of Americans called to make great sacrifices in order to preserve our democratic way of life—sacrifices not just of our soldiers and money but of our personal safety and comfort?

In still other words, what if we chose to accept the fact that every few years, despite all reasonable precautions, some hundreds or thousands of us may die in the sort of ghastly terrorist attack that a democratic republic cannot 100-percent protect itself from without subverting the very principles that make it worth protecting?

Wallace’s point was that, in the wake of 9/11, a host of policies had been put in place—the Patriot Act, warrantless surveillance, private contractors performing military duties—without a substantive public debate about the trade-offs they represented and whether they were worth it. Wallace wanted to know what it said about us as a people that we were unable or unwilling even to consider whether some things might be more important than safety.

“Why now can we not have a serious national conversation about sacrifice, the inevitability of sacrifice—either of (a) some portion of safety or (b) some portion of the rights and protections that make the American idea so incalculably precious?” he asked. And if we would not have such a conversation, “What kind of future does that augur?”

More than a decade later, we are still incapable of serious discussion of the trade-offs between safety and freedom. For the most part, we’re not even able to admit that such trade-offs exist.

Are you ready for another monstrous thought experiment? What if we decided that a certain baseline vulnerability to mass shootings is part of the price of the American idea? In some ways, mass shootings are a more apt example of what Wallace was talking about than terrorism. After all, we can arguably do something about a worldwide ideological and religious movement that uses violence as a political weapon—and we have. Whether the aggregate cost in American blood and treasure has been worth it is another question, but it suffices to say that we can do much less about a random madman intent on killing innocents than we can about ISIS and al-Qaeda.

Set aside, for now, the facile arguments for gun control half-measures that wouldn’t have stopped the Parkland shooting—or Las Vegas, Virginia Tech, Newtown, or the others. Consider instead what the Left thinks it would really take to stop these kinds of shootings: a repeal of the Second Amendment, followed by mass confiscation of firearms and subsequent heavy regulation of private gun ownership, along the lines of policies in many European countries.

I’m not trying to be provocative. That’s really what it would take. Are we willing to consider it? Should we? What does it say about us that we can’t even acknowledge the trade-offs involved in keeping U.S. school children safe? The best we could manage last week were the worn-out, ritualized responses: outraged calls for anemic gun control measures from the Left and a naive insistence from the Right that tackling “mental health issues” will somehow solve the problem.

Let’s Be Honest About ‘Common Sense’ Gun Control

The New York Times’ Bret Stephens, for one, is at least willing to be honest about the thing. Back in October, he wrote a column calling for repealing the Second Amendment. There’s of course much to criticize in Stephens’ argument, beginning with his cherry-picked statistics that fail to explain how, despite a recent surge, the murder rate, and violent crime in general, has been plummeting since the 1990s even as gun ownership has steadily increased.

I’m not going to pick apart Stephens’ piece (my colleague David Harsanyi did a fine job of that shortly after it ran). The point is that Stephens plainly states what most liberals are unwilling to admit: if we really want to stop gun violence in America, we’re going to have to make fundamental changes to the constitutional order so governments can wrest guns out of the hands of Americans.

To suggest anything less is intellectually dishonest because anything less simply won’t work. It’s no surprise, then, that Joe Scarborough took to The Washington Post on Friday to argue for stronger background checks, a ban on bump stocks, and “assurances that military-style weapons”—whatever that means—“will stop finding their way into the hands of terrorists, domestic abusers and the mentally ill.” He puts these forward as substantive policies that will not only make a difference but won’t require rewriting the Bill of Rights, neither of which are true.

Or consider the refrain that immediately popped up on social media after the shooting: that guns should be regulated like automobiles. Sure, there are myriad ways we could do that, from requiring things like insurance and a license, to heavy restrictions on what sort of guns manufacturers are allowed to sell to the public.

But of course owning and driving a car is not a constitutionally protected right, it’s a privilege that comes with certain duties and costs. If we’re going to regulate firearms like cars, we’re going to have to decide that owning a gun will no longer be a constitutional right but a heavily regulated privilege. If we do that, we’re going to have to be honest about what that means: changing the very nature of the constitutional system America’s Founders designed.

What’s the American Idea Worth?

Here it must be said that the Second Amendment was not meant to safeguard the right to hunt deer or shoot clay pigeons, or even protect your home and family from an intruder. The right to bear arms stems from the right of revolution, which is asserted in the Declaration of Independence and forms the basis of America’s social compact. Our republic was forged in revolution, and the American people have always retained the right to overthrow their government if it becomes tyrannical. That doesn’t mean that private militias should have tanks and missile launchers, but it does mean that revolution—the right of first principles—undergirds our entire political system.

That might sound academic or outlandish next to the real-life horror of a school shooting, but the fact remains that we can’t simply wave off the Second Amendment any more than we can wave off the First, or the Fourth, or any of them. They are constitutive elements of the American idea, without which the entire constitutional system would eventually collapse.

In this, America is unlike the European nations that gun control advocates like to compare it with. Germany can restrict the right to bear arms as easily as it can—and does—restrict free speech. Not so in America. If we want to change that, it will involve a substantial diminishment of our constitutional rights as we have known them up until now. After last week’s school shooting, some Americans are okay with that, especially those families who are grieving. But I suspect most Americans are not willing to make that trade-off, and might never be—unless they suffer the same of kind personal loss.

Returning to Wallace’s thought experiment, we might rephrase it like this: is the Second Amendment worth dying for? That’s another way of asking what the American idea is worth. It’s not an easy question, and I don’t pose it lightly, as I’m sure Wallace didn’t.

But it’s one we need to ask, even in the face of heartbreaking and devastating loss. Is ours a generation of Americans called to make great sacrifices of our personal safety in order to preserve our democratic way of life? If we will not sacrifice some measure our personal safety, are we willing to sacrifice something like the Second Amendment? If so, what else are we willing to sacrifice?


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To: Wpin

“I believe we will have to make that choice in our lifetime.”

Once the snowflake generation assumes full control of the levers of power.


41 posted on 02/19/2018 7:45:29 AM PST by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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To: sergeantdave

True that... private militias should have access to anything that they allow their gov’t to have.


42 posted on 02/19/2018 7:46:50 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
What if we decided that a certain baseline vulnerability to mass shootings is part of the price of the American idea? In some ways, mass shootings are a more apt example of what Wallace was talking about than terrorism.

Here's another idea.

What if there existed a globalist cabal that wanted the USA on it's knees and willing to do it's bidding?

What if there were men and women working in our government and intelligence communities so committed to that idea that they were willing to do anything to achieve that goal?

What's an indispensable fist step in that process?

Could it be disarming the American public?

How best to disarm a country with 300 million legally owned firearms is private hands?

Easy.

Make the people demand it. Do school killings help achieve that goal?

Who's behind school shootings?

Do you believe that it's a coincidence that all school shooters are on antidepressants, seeing therapists, have been the subject of numerous tips to the FBI and local authorities?

Just some things I've been thinking about...

43 posted on 02/19/2018 7:48:59 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: Sopater

Amen Brother!!

But you’re supposed to assimilate to the Borg.

Fossil fuels are worse than hitler, stalin, pol pot, and Mao combined. :)


44 posted on 02/19/2018 7:50:07 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know saying Syrian rebels in anost back in Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Sopater; All

This idiotic article just creates another false crisis. Of course it’s worth dying for but that’s not what is facing us.

What is happening is a perceived crisis of security in schools.

The immediate answer is to immediately secure the schools (with more guns being a major component).


45 posted on 02/19/2018 8:03:28 AM PST by old-ager
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To: Sopater

Without the Second Amendment, there is no First Amendment.


46 posted on 02/19/2018 8:04:03 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: xrmusn

Great quote, but there’s no evidence it was ever said by Jefferson. First time it was attributed to him in print was 2007.


47 posted on 02/19/2018 8:15:11 AM PST by MTsumi
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To: Sopater
Is The Second Amendment Worth Dying For?

YESSSS!

It, like the entire US Constitution and Constitution of Maine, are worth fighting for, worth killing for, and if needs be dying for.

48 posted on 02/19/2018 8:17:02 AM PST by The_Republic_Of_Maine (RINO politicians beware your time is coming ... SOON)
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To: Sopater

Do away w the 2nd amendment, and the state can do whatever it wants without repercussions. For those who forgot, the Bill Of Rights are inalienable.


49 posted on 02/19/2018 8:18:37 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: Sopater

The first ten Amendments are called the Bill of Rights for a reason. The Founding Fathers intended them to be an innumeration of individual liberties. I fear that the anti gun hysteria could bring about the first alteration or even repeal of part of the Bill of Rights and start us down the slippery slope of even further repeals. The First Amendment could quickly be victim of political correctness and the Fourth and Fifth Amendment soon there after. Our Bill of Rights could become nothing but a memory in a generation.


50 posted on 02/19/2018 8:18:51 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why I will never give up my 2A rights while I am still physically able.


51 posted on 02/19/2018 8:23:26 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Sopater

Sounds like what Ron Paul and his type said when the Patriot Act was first proposed ... back in the 1990s by Bill Clinton. Remember, it was originally proposed by Bill. It did not pass the Republican Congress.

Post 911 it was given a new name, a few more buzzwords, the cloak of 911, and passed.


52 posted on 02/19/2018 8:38:45 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Sopater

Here’s a question....Would people arms themselves to defend the 1st Amendment? Would journalists?


53 posted on 02/19/2018 8:51:06 AM PST by TomServo
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To: Sopater

Solzhenitsyn understood the importance of the second amendment...

“What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, polkers, or whatever else was at hand?”


54 posted on 02/19/2018 8:51:52 AM PST by aquila48
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To: Sopater

In the military, we were sworn in to PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. All of it, not most of it. What part would you not protect?


55 posted on 02/19/2018 8:52:17 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Re-open the insane asylums, stop drugging the kids.)
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To: Sopater

frankly, yes.

this would be the hill I would choose to die on, if I am pushed to choose.


56 posted on 02/19/2018 8:54:03 AM PST by QualityMan (The Adults are back in town)
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To: MTsumi

Great quote, but there’s no evidence it was ever said by Jefferson. First time it was attributed to him in print was 2007.
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Wellll, OK but if you go by ‘today’s standards’ he could have said it and probably would have had he thought about it and if he could foresee the future.

You know, the crowd that says there would be no 2nd Amendment if the founding dads had ever heard about AK47s or ABombs or HBombs or even FBombs...

The only reason we have it is the only ‘major’ weapon was a musket or some other trite.

(YOU can see I don’t take criticism well...<: <: <:)


57 posted on 02/19/2018 8:55:28 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98)""Assume this is preceded by 'there is somebody somewhere who will say'")
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To: Sopater
Is The Second Amendment Worth Dying For?

Yep.

I'm the perfect recruit, too: No wife, no kids.

58 posted on 02/19/2018 8:56:05 AM PST by Lazamataz (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing 14 times in a row.)
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To: dp0622
Marriage?

Sure. When are you free?

59 posted on 02/19/2018 8:56:46 AM PST by Lazamataz (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing 14 times in a row.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Huah. (That’s an agreement)


60 posted on 02/19/2018 8:58:11 AM PST by Lazamataz (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing 14 times in a row.)
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