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Vanity: Who Won the Debate and Why (Not who You Wished Won) and Where Did Trump Miss
Self ^ | 10/20/16 | Jim Newell

Posted on 10/20/2016 8:40:12 AM PDT by Jim W N

Why do you think Trump won or not.

Where exactly did Trump land an effective blow and where did he miss some golden opportunities.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: debate; hillary; trump
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To: Jim 0216

How come he doesn’t say :

“So you aren’t disputing the fact that these are your emails, correct?”,

“So you aren’t disputing the fact that you said in the emails xxxx, correct?”,

“So you aren’t disputing that these emails are not about Chelsea’s wedding or Yoga like you said they were, correct?”


81 posted on 10/20/2016 9:55:02 AM PDT by kneedragger111
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To: Baynative

I know, I was yelling at the TV when she said that the foundation spent 90% on charities.


82 posted on 10/20/2016 10:05:10 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Mr. Jeeves

2020, Trump all the way and Trump’s VP for 2024. That’s why Trump’s gotta have the right VP to take down 80%+ of the unconstitutional feds. Don’t think Pence it the guy to do that.


83 posted on 10/20/2016 10:08:13 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Baynative; RitaOK; Jim 0216; landshark; Kozy
Even CNN and the Wash Post, the most hypercritical of Trump, have to admit it today.

CNN Focus Group Declares TRUMP the Winner! 10 for Trump 5 for Hillary 6 still undecided

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3482611/posts

Trump won the third debate (WaPo)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3482745/posts

84 posted on 10/20/2016 10:18:55 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: MarDav

Just admit it to yourselves. You all are a bunch of butt hurt Cruzebots who will NEVER find anything positive to say about Trump.

Too bad not even the Clinton directed media can bring itself to agree with your Pro-Clinton propagandizing today.

CNN Focus Group Declares TRUMP the Winner! 10 for Trump 5 for Hillary 6 still undecided

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3482611/posts

Trump won the third debate (WaPo)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3482745/posts


85 posted on 10/20/2016 10:22:34 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: Jim 0216

I think he missed big league when she droned on about Russia. “If Putin wants anybody elected its you because he gave your husband a lot of money for some silly speeches and you allowed Russia to buy tons of uranus, I mean uranium. He owns you.”

When Crooked said she did not want to break up illegal immigrant families. “We break up families every day when we send parents to prison for breaking the law”

When HRottenC said, I don’t want the government to make those late term abortion decisions. “Why, the gov’t tells women they can’t sell their bodies or put illegal drugs into their bodies”

Just a few quick thoughts.


86 posted on 10/20/2016 10:26:23 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: loveliberty2

“A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO HER BODY ENDS AT THE BEGINNING OF HER BABY’S BODY.”

And to sum up your words and the assertions of the D of I that are presumed in the Constitution, the ONLY power the feds have are those DELEGATED AND ENUMERATED in the Constitution. As with MOST act of the feds, so here, the feds interference with state anti-abortion laws are patently unauthorized by the Constitution and, therefore, illegal and are acts of tyranny.

The American People need to once again embrace the fact that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land against the feds and is our ONLY legal bulwark of freedom against the tyranny of the feds.

Most of the federal government is unconstitutional and needs to be dismantled. But I know of no power on earth that is strong enough to send hundreds of thousands of officials, bureaucratic heads, and government workers packing with no job. And yet that is EXACTLY what needs to happen if America is to be a free Constitutional Republic once again.

Bottoms Up: It would help if the states started exercising their constitutional sovereignty and began nullifying unconstitutional acts of the feds, but of course that would mean state officials having the guts to become financially independent of the feds - something that would be wonderful. Maybe somewhere in there the America People could become more interested in their own freedom and limited government.

Top Down: Trump’s VP (not Pence IMO) being the guy who walks into the WH in 2024 and has the resolve to withstand the firestorm when he determinedly begins firing and dismantling the unconstitutional majority of his cabinet bureaucracies and doing the same to the wholly unconstitutional Administrative/Regulatory State.

I’m not trusting in Trump or man, because what needs to happen is too big for man. It will take the same Hand of Providence that brought the miraculous birth of the free Constitutional Republic of America against the most powerful force in the world, England.


87 posted on 10/20/2016 10:30:07 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

I like the Cubs who showed up yesterday — that’s the Cubs of 2016. Thanks to my son and his bride, I’ll be going to Chicago and Wrigley for Saturday’s game... here’s hoping... Let’s get some runs!!!


88 posted on 10/20/2016 10:37:25 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: MarDav

Yeah, I just keep reminding myself that God wins in the end and I am on His side.


89 posted on 10/20/2016 10:38:41 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Jim 0216

Gosh would have been great had you started with that

I listened to ten minutes....couldn’t stand any more. Hillary’s voice is too much and Wallace pissed me off


90 posted on 10/20/2016 11:01:04 AM PDT by Nifster (Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
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To: DesertRhino

Rigged.

Not a debate but a Q&A session with the effect of setting up Trump as a target in a Leftist shooting gallery.

Can’t stand Hillary.

Can’t stand the Leftist “moderators”.

What else?


91 posted on 10/20/2016 11:13:37 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Nifster

Exactly why I thought I’d watch baseball instead. Enjoyable, not disgusting.


92 posted on 10/20/2016 11:21:41 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

Good call.


93 posted on 10/20/2016 11:29:05 AM PDT by Nifster (Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
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To: Jim 0216

When he mentioned the election fraud perpetrated by Democrats, he should have said, “If you want to see exactly how they cheat, go to www.ProjectVeritas.com.”

We have seen the videos and we knew exactly what he was talking about, but since the MSM isn’t covering it, we’re in the minority. What he said may have piqued some interest and people should know be told where to go to find out the facts.


94 posted on 10/20/2016 11:47:10 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Jim 0216
Thank you!

Yours is an eloquent defense of the United States Constitution and of individual liberty itself.

We now must recognize that, since their beginning in the late-1800's, the liberal/progressive movement's ambition to supplant the ideas and principles underlying the U. S. Constitution with counterfeit ideas has been progressing at break-neck speed.

Correct, too, is the observance that the multitudinous bureaucracies already in place against "We, the People," must be displaced, for they are the very accomplices described by Jefferson as 'hiring' themselves to rivet the chains upon the necks" of their fellow citizens."

"I am not among those who fear the people. They...are our dependence for continued freedom. And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people...must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they (the British) now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.... This example reads to us the salutary lesson that private fortunes are destroyed by public, as well as by private extravagance. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from the principle in one instance, becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the 'bellum omnium in omnia,' which some philosophers...have mistaken for the natural, instead of the abusive, state of man. And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." - Thomas Jefferson

95 posted on 10/20/2016 12:12:02 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

FYI, I will be developing these ideas along with a plan for the average American to get a basic grasp of THEIR Constitution (and, therefore, THEIR political freedom, along with a lot of other stuff, on

https://sonsofconstitutionalliberty.com/

which is currently under construction.


96 posted on 10/20/2016 12:15:58 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

He missed a huge opportunity re: $15 minimum wage being pushed by Dems. This is a big sop being thrown to voters, and they’re eating it up.

Here’s what Trump SHOULD say:
“We HAD $15, $18, $25 per hour jobs. The punitive policies of the Dems is what sent those jobs overseas.
Minimum wage jobs are supposed to be ENTRY LEVEL jobs, for kids just starting out, learning job skills, saving for college or that first car.
ENTRY LEVEL, burger flipping jobs aren’t intended to be lifetime careers, were never intended to support a family or pay a mortgage. They are ENTRY LEVEL.
But go into any fast food restaurant now and you’ll see 30-40-50 year olds, forced to compete with teenagers and stuck in those entry level jobs because there’s nothing better to move up to. Hillary’s policies sent those better paying, skilled jobs overseas.
Hillary’s solution to the problems SHE created is to force business owners to raise entry level wages to unsustainable levels AND punish businesses with even higher taxes.
The result will be hamburgers so high priced that nobody can afford to buy them, more layoffs, and a shift to automation for some businesses and closure for others. This is not rocket science, people, it’s common sense and basic business arithmetic.
But Hillary’s solution to every problem SHE created is to compound it with more problems.”


97 posted on 10/20/2016 12:18:43 PM PDT by mumblypeg (We've had a p***y in the White House for 8 years. Make America Macho Again.)
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To: loveliberty2

BTW, Jefferson’s words you quoted (need citation) have become flesh in our day have they not? We need God himself to reverse this - it’s too big for man to fix.


98 posted on 10/20/2016 12:20:05 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: mumblypeg

mumblypeg, you seem to be one of the very few that gets that minimum wage is a MAJOR cause of business fleeing our country.

Does Trump get it? Dunno, but he doesn’t touch it because the demagogues would spin it so hard to the gullible (most people unfortunately - they have purposely been dumbed down/brainwashed by government schools and are pretty clueless about free market economics even though it’s common sense) who as you say, would “eat it up” that Trump would be flung far off into outer space somewhere.


99 posted on 10/20/2016 12:27:28 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Again, you're correct, and we must remember that the same Divine Providence to whom the Founders and early generations were grateful for intervention, and whom they acknowledged in their Declaration to be "the Supreme judge of the world," "Nature's God," "Creator," exists today and should be acknowledged as the only real source of liberty.
100 posted on 10/20/2016 12:35:24 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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