Posted on 09/05/2015 1:24:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
On June the 16th the SCOTUS handed down a decision on same sex marriage. The majority opinion agreed that same sex marriages must be recognized by the states. The states would have to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples, and they would have to recognize same sex marriages performed in other states. LINK
None of us agreed with that ruling, but it was a much anticipated ruling. Conservatives knew this was coming for months. The ruling, one that could be a catastrophe for traditional marriage, was a potential nuclear bomb to the Biblical and even historic definition of marriage for most of recorded civilization.
This being the case, traditional marriage supporters had plenty of time to prepare. Special task forces could have been established. Methods of countering a potential SCOTUS bombshell could have been developed. None were.
Today we're very upset that a young woman was arrested for defying a court order and refusing to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple. It was against her religious beliefs, and for someone, we knew it would be. Tonight she remains in jail.
All day long today, Republican candidates have been making statements about this situation. Some of them have pledged support to this woman. Some are upset that others didn't express what they deem to be enough support. Lets be clear about something here.
That ruling came down on June the 16th. Before the August 4 & 6th recess, there were 28 days of business.
If our members of the House or Senate had been concerned over the sanctity of marriage, they could have introduced legislation within hours of the SCOTUS ruling. They didn't.
Yesterday the first court clerk was arrested for refusing to issue same sex marriage certificates. Since that moment some of our Republican candidates have been expressing a massive amount of support for the clerk, and they should have.
Some of these candidates who expressed the most support for the clerk, were quick to take other candidates to task for not showing enough support. This is where it gets rather interesting.
Some of the candidates who have shown the most support, are now taking other candidates to task for not showing enough. Strangely enough, three of those candidates served in the Senate and House. Did they express their strong support of traditional marriage there?
Was any single piece of legislation written and processed to address SCOTUS skulduggery? Were people like this clerk protected? Did Obama have to use his veto pen?
NO! NO he did not.
One whole month came and went and no legislative action was taken at all to rectify this situation.
We have supposed Constitutional scholars. WE have people who have argued before the SCOTUS, and know better than anyone else how this system works. They did nothing!
Now they are on the campaign trail, and it's expedient to rally to the defense of someone who could have been protected. She wasn't.
Today one non-politician has come under the gun for recognizing what the law on the books today is. He said he wished the clerk hadn't been arrested, but the law says she has to issue the licenses to same sex couples.
Folks, he's right!
Note this isn't what some folks have determined it to be.
This politician didn't endorse the SCOTUS actions.
He didn't approve of them.
He didn't say they did the right thing with their ruling.
What this politician said was that he was sorry this woman was arrested, but she has to follow the law. Yes folks, she does. We are a nation of laws.
What can this candidate do for the clerk now? He can voice support. He could come down an protest with others. Neither of those things can put an end to what is going on.
This evening there is a lot of gnashing of teeth. Guys are just so upset that this clerk has been arrested.
Where was that concern on June 17th to August 4th? LINK
Why is it that private citizen is being blamed here? Why didn't our Congress-critters do their job?
Is it any wonder we have a non politician kicking the politician's butts this year?
Cruz, Paul, Santorum... what action did you take to prevent this? Here you are acting as if you really care, but when you had plenty of time to know this was coming, and plenty of time to introduce legislation, you didn't.
Don't you dare try to blame this on Trump. Now nothing can be done. Where were you when something could have been done?
This a simple concept. In the military (back in the day) we learned "silence is consent". Trump says it (same-sex marriage) is a done deal, time to move on. So Trump is cool with same-sex marriage. If Trump were not cool with same-sex marriage he would be condemning loudly and often. If he was not cool with Kim Davis imprisoned for her Christian beliefs he would be condemning that loudly and often as are Huckabee, Cruz, Paul, Jindal and Santorum. See the difference?
And how can you trust him? You can't. That wall will never happen. He even made it was clear that he wasn't on the level by saying he was going to make Mexico pay for it. His Archie Bunker moment.
Besides that all shows he's not a conservative and doesn't know the reality of immigration::
You don't close the barn door after the cow is gone. There are already 60 million illegals here. The number coming in the future is far lower. So the ones here are a bigger problem. The ones he's said many time he will let stay.
The wall won't stop illegals - it's basic conservative economics. If the U.S. system incentivizes illegals to come here, they will get here. So the root problem will still exist wall or no wall. And since Trump doesn't even understand the root problem, he couldn't even deal with it, if he wanted to.
Yes, Cruz is a 65-75. Trump is a 10 tops.
Yes, when the laws are unjust and immoral supporting the rule of law is a bad thing. See 1930s Germany for a crystal clear example.
Ummmm. Wouldn’t that be from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico?
Maybe President Dwayne Trump Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho will build that 60’ wall right through the Gulf of Mexico (and He will BTW rename it - The Gulf Of TRUMP! and He will make Mexico pay for the cost of updating all the maps because… TRUMP!) and He will extend that 60’ wall all the way to and well past the Florida Keys. And He will replace all the water in the Gulf of Trump and Caribbean with Brawdo because it is FABULOUS and it’s got what plants crave.
See USA since 1973 for one closer to home. What have you done about it?
I don’t disagree with most of your premises, but I cannot agree to some sort of outside the bounds of the law solution to unlawful acts by the SCOTUS.
A Constitutional way has to be found to counter the skulduggery.
I don’t agree with the court here. I do understand why things are like they are though.
Even though I asked you not to ping me until you become sane again, it's a good question.
No I don't have any proof he's against gay marriage. Maybe he's actually for it. Let's say, for this argument he IS for it.
What I do know FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY is if Trump doesn't get the nomination, Bush will. Bet your ass on that. Then, not only will we be stuck with gay marriage, but also amnesty, common core, environmental insanity, corporate cronyism, GOPe/Dem rule, Denali etc.
Bush will crush Cruz, Walker and Carson like grapes once Trump is out of the way.
THINK.
Nick, it’s my take you pretty much just scoffed at anything you didn’t want to hear there.
It’s pointless to address point by point of you dismissing what Trump is campaigning on.
Nick, Trump is not hawking 90% liberal things right now.
He is hawking about 95% Conservative things.
Maybe he can just extend the Rio Grande into a giant moat and make Mexico and island?
By the way, Gavin Newsom started this all by illegally giving out gay marriage license. He got rewarded for breaking the law. But conservatives should be punished! Like Trump says, we need two different standards.
Yes it would.
If Trump says he can build a wall, I will accept that he can.
He has a pretty good construction record.
For Christians, this situation with homo marriage differs from abortion.
The pro-death crowd doesn't target Christians, whereas the pro-homo crowd does.
So it won't be a matter of "not doing much of anything" because Christians are facing an existential threat from the homos. Christians will react.
And Trump will endorse him! By the way, Bush is bad, but Trump is farther to the left. So I don't get why anyone in the Trump/Bush axis is something to be happy about.
Exactly. I HATE the gay agenda, but for now, we're stuck with homo marriage. No amount of protesting, foot stomping or flailing will change that.
The only way around it seems to be a constitutional amendment. For now at least, the opt-out avenue is what we have to deal with, until homo marriage destroys itself or becomes marginalized despite the law.
I’ll settle for the 60’ wall.
Yeah...
You have quite the imagination. I like it.
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