Posted on 07/03/2015 6:35:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
If marriage is not the union of a man and a woman, then why should it be limited to two people (or, for that matter, require two people)? Why can't it be one or three or five? What makes the number "two" so special if it doesn't refer to the union of a male and a female?
I have asked this question for years in various settings, from a campus debate with a professor to social media and from my radio show to writing, and I have not yet received a single cogent answer, since no cogent answer exists.
If "love is love" and "marriage equality" is the mantra, then why can't any combination of loving adults form a "marriage"?
How can anyone in support of same-sex "marriage" object to the goals of the Marriage Equality Blogspot that calls for "Full Marriage Equality," specifically, "for the right of consenting adults to share and enjoy love, sex, residence, and marriage without limits on the gender, number, or relation of participants"?
If you say, "But marriage has always been the union of two people," that is patently false, since polygamy has existed for millennia (and still exists in scores of countries) and, more importantly, throughout history, whatever number of people were involved, the fundamental requirement was not two people but a man and a woman.
If you say, "But polygamy is harmful to women and society," that is irrelevant, since if the people want to enter into marriage love each other (remember, love is love, right?), they should be allowed to.
Plus, polygamists have the ability to reproduce naturally and then join the children to their mother and father, which homosexual unions cannot do. And, speaking of harm, gay relationships are, statistically speaking, less stable than heterosexual relationships, while specific acts of homosexual sex, especially among males, have increased health risks.
Do gay activists really want to press the "harm" angle when it comes to polygamy?
As I wrote back in 2011, "it's a very short leap from polyamory to polygamy, and just as TV shows like Will and Grace helped pave the way for a more gay-affirming society, shows like Big Love and Sister Wives are helping to pave the way for a more polygamy-affirming society.
"Not surprisingly, in Canada, where same-sex marriage is legal throughout the country, Monique Pongracic-Speier, an advocate with the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, has argued on behalf of polygamists that, 'Consenting adults have the right—the Charter protected right—to form the families that they want to form.' If homosexuals can, why can't polygamists?
"The logic really is quite strong: If someone has the 'right to marry the person they love,' as gay activists incessantly tell us, why shouldn't people have the right to marry multiple loving partners?"
That's why it's no surprise that the same day that the Supreme Court ruled to redefine marriage, Politico ran a story titled, "It's Time to Legalize Polygamy: Why group marriage is the next horizon of social liberalism."
And that's why it's no surprise that, within a week of the Supreme Court decision, the internet was buzzing with reports that, "A Montana man said Wednesday that he was inspired by last week's U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage to apply for a marriage license so that he can legally wed his second wife."
As Nathan Collier, the man in question remarked, "It's about marriage equality. You can't have this without polygamy."
Ironically, gay "marriage" advocates like Jonathan Rauch fail to see the irony of their position when they argue that "Polygamy Isn't the Next Gay Marriage," since their redefinition of marriage is far more radical than that of the polygamists.
A man and a woman are physically and biologically designed for each other, carrying within themselves the unique components of sperm and egg (the fact remains that there's no such thing as a baby without a male and female involved), and so the two must come together as one to form a marriage.
The man and woman also share a unique complementarity emotionally and spiritually – have you ever heard the saying that "Men are from Mars and women from Venus"? – which is why the union of a man and woman is special, distinctive, and even sacred. And that's why the union of man and a woman has been recognized as "marriage" throughout the ages.
As cultural analyst Robert Knight remarked, "The term 'marriage' refers specifically to the joining of two people of the opposite sex. When that is lost, 'marriage' becomes meaningless. You can no more leave an entire sex out of marriage and call it 'marriage' than you can leave chocolate out of a 'chocolate brownie' recipe. It becomes something else."
And when it becomes "something else" it can become virtually "anything else," which is why polyamorists (along with polygamists) are also clamoring for their relationships to be legally recognized. As US News and World Report noted just three days after the Supreme Court ruling, "Polyamorous Rights Advocates See Marriage Equality Coming for Them."
That's why Eric Abetz, a senior government minister in Australia, recently warned, "if you undo the definition you then open up a Pandora's box and if you say that it is no longer an institution between one man and one woman you then do open up a Pandora's box."
To repeat, if your mantras are "Love is love" and "I have the right to marry the one I love," and if you really advocate "marriage equality," then why can't any number and combination of consenting adults join together in "marriage"?
If you say, "But that's not marriage," you have just shot yourself in the foot, since marriage has never been the union of any two people but rather the union of a man and a woman.
And so, just as surely as a male plug and a female plug are required to make a connection in the world of electronics, a male and female are required to have a proper marriage. Otherwise, it is not marriage, no matter what any panel of judge's rules.
That's why the fourth principle in my book Outlasting the Gay Revolution is "Refuse to Redefine Marriage," since once you redefine it, you render it meaningless.
So, once again, I ask the question to advocates of "marriage equality": Why two? If marriage is not the union of a man and a woman, then why should it be limited to two people (or, for that matter, require two people)?
I'm not holding my breath.
Particularly since gay men have so many sex partners.
They had to start somewhere. Just say'n
Polygamy, group marriage, consensual incest .... love is all you need.
I know a nice lady in Bel Air that is going to leave $30 Million Dollars to her Dog, ostensibly for care and pampering. She just got the dog a few years ago, it is about 3-4 years old and she is in her 90’s. It is a French Bulldog, cutest little devil. I was thinking of Marrying her DOG before she passes. Is there any valid legal reason why I can’t?? She might even give me permission If I ask her first. But what about the LAW???
Why not one? Content & committed to single life, what alleged rights are the celebate denied?
There is no logic the gay lobby used to get same sex marriage legalized that cannot be applied to polygamy. It’s the exact same argument.
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> Particularly since gay men have so many sex partners.
From what I’m seeing online and hearing through discussions with others familiar with the gay lifestyle, many gay couples seem to have open marriages which I just don’t get. Don’t two people marry for the purpose of having a reverent relationship where they are faithful to each other and monogamous? Why even get married if you are going to have multiple sex partners after you get married. Its as though they are intentionally making a mockery of the institution of marriage (which is exactly what I think is going on).
No particular reason. Once you redefine something, you can’t tell anyone else they have no right to do the same thing. Marriage will have no meaning, which is what they want.
Don’t forget she is also the candidate that will continue and increase the freebies.
Polygamy is sensible in a tribal culture where fertile females are limited and males are far fewer (usually due to warfare). Survival of the tribe is in doubt, so the best is made with what little there is.
Robust cultures find a 1:1 male/female pairing is optimal for raising the next generation. Living in the resulting luxury, new generations opt for novelty, forgetting the hard won lessons of the past.
I think one thing we need to do is to forever stop using the euphemistic term, “gay”. Call it what it is, either homosexual or Sodomite. It’ll be difficult because “gay” is so mainstream now, but I’m making an effort.
I suppose it won’t make any difference when it comes to the Big Picture, but it’ll make me feel better. “Gay” sounds just too precious; practicing Sodomy is far from precious.
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best essay I have seen on the subject
Ayn Rand told a story of her days as a Hollywood scriptwriter. In the 1930s, I think. She knew another girl in the business, and one day the two of them saw an associate drive by in a brand new, fancy automobile. Rand's friend was livid with jealousy.
Ayn Rand believed in the American dream -- she said: "But if you work hard and save your money, you'll be able to buy a car just like that."
Her friend replied: "I don't want a car just like that. I want her to drive into a tree and smash her car!"
Homosexuals don't really want marriage to be available to them -- they want that sort of deep, meaningful relationship taken away from normal people.
Hell just marry her, adopt the dog. That works now, and in CA you could divorce her the next day and get 50% right?
I’m sure the dog could get plenty of pampering for $15 million. :)
The Arabs have a saying: “One key in your pocket is silent but two keys make a jangle.”
Why not? Not only would the dog not say no, if you asked it to marry you, right after you gave it a doggie treat, the dog would probably jump up and down, lick your face, and wag its tail furiously. Which would mean to a normal person that yes, the dog would be happy to marry you.
“There is no logic the gay lobby used to get same sex marriage legalized that cannot be applied to polygamy. It’s the exact same argument.”
Wrong. The logic is simple.
The left advocates for people they don’t care about in order to control people they hate, which in this case are Christians.
That is the logic. That is why they did it. I’m shocked gays put any stock in marriage at all, beyond the economic benefits available.
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