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Hydrogen, hydrogen everywhere...
market-robots.com ^ | 20 March 2015 Last updated at 10:21 ET | Matthew Wall

Posted on 03/21/2015 5:36:00 PM PDT by ckilmer

 

20 March 2015 Last updated at 10:21 ET

Hydrogen, hydrogen everywhere...

 

Earth's oceans from space Hydrogen is most commonly found in water - H2O - and in fossil fuels

 

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. And when you burn it or use it to produce electricity, the only waste product is water.

In the era of global warming, it would seem to be the perfect fuel.

So why aren't we all driving round in hydrogen-powered cars, moving our goods in hydrogen-powered lorries, and heating our homes and offices with this wonder element?

In short, fossil fuels got there first.

Oil, coal and gas were easily accessible and powered the industrial revolution. Around them, entire economies and transport infrastructures were built.

It was only much later that we realised the potentially catastrophic effects hydrocarbon waste products could have on the environment.

"In the Seventies, the oil crisis made people realise that oil-based economies were vulnerable, so people started to get excited about the potential for the hydrogen economy," says Alex Hart, hydrogen expert at the Carbon Trust.

"But then climate change saw a push towards electricity as the answer to hydrocarbons and hydrogen seemed like a distraction."

Now hydrogen is staging something of a comeback.

Fuel cell tech

Hydrogen fuel cells have been around for decades, but they have always been heavy and expensive.

Hydrogen fuel cell car America's first street-ready hydrogen fuel cell car took to the road in 1998
Toyota Mirai at hydrogen filling station Toyota's Mirai hydrogen fuel cell car will cost about €66,000 (£47,000)
Toyota Mirai engine Fuel cells are now smaller, cheaper and more efficient

Now Japanese car manufacturers in particular, like Honda, Toyota and Nissan, as well as Korea's Hyundai, believe they have finally made the fuel cell commercially viable and much more efficient.

Toyota's Mirai fuel cell electric vehicle (FCEV), for example, is being rolled out in the US, Japan, Denmark, Germany and the UK this year.

With a range of about 300-400 miles (480-640km) and a tank that can be filled in a matter of minutes, Toyota is hoping FCEVs can give conventional electric vehicles (EVs) a run for their money.

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How does a hydrogen fuel cell work?

Hydrogen fuel cell in car engine

A fuel cell is composed of an anode, a cathode and an electrolyte membrane. Hydrogen is passed through the anode and oxygen through the cathode. At the anode, the hydrogen molecules are split into electrons and protons.

The protons pass through the electrolyte membrane, while the electrons are driven through a circuit, generating an electric current and heat. At the cathode, the protons, electrons and oxygen combine to produce water molecules.

Fuel cells are clean - the only by-products are electricity, heat and water - and they are quiet, because they have no moving parts.

The proton exchange membrane fuel cell is currently the most suitable for vehicles because it can operate at lower temperatures than other fuel cells, but it is not the most efficient.

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"In Japan we have a three-year waiting list for the car - demand is outstripping supply," says Toyota's Nik Pearson.

Earlier this year, Toyota announced that it would share nearly 6,000 of its hydrogen fuel cell patents in a bid to boost FCEV development.

The patent portfolio covers fuel cell stacks, high-pressure hydrogen tanks, software control systems and the industrial processes involved in generating and supplying the gas.

Pump priming

But will all the other manufacturers develop FCEVs - and consumers buy them - without a filling station network already in place?

"There are already 100 hydrogen stations in California," says Mr Pearson, "and in the UK the government has given £11m of backing for a small network of 15 stations in the South East."

This is still small beer compared to the hundreds of thousands of petrol and diesel stations worldwide.

Hydrogen filling station Hydrogen cars can be refuelled in a matter of minutes, whereas electric battery vehicles take hours to recharge

"The technology of HFCEV has come on in leaps and bounds," says Dr Hamish Nichol, innovation manager for hydrogen at industrial gases giant BOC, part of the Linde Group. "But you need the infrastructure to fuel those cars - it's a chicken and egg situation.

"We're a commercial business - we're not going to build a hydrogen network just for the good of mankind. So we're going to need subsidy from the government."

 

Industrial gases companies, energy companies, vehicle manufacturers and governments are beginning to realise that they have to work together to build the infrastructure, otherwise each stakeholder will be waiting for the other to make the first move.

For example, in Germany just such a consortium - H2 Mobility - is building 100 hydrogen stations over the next two years, with a target of 400 by 2023. The project will cost about €350m (£250m).

And in the north-east of the US, Air Liquide is co-operating with Toyota to build 12 filling stations as a way of boosting interest in hydrogen cars.

But building a comprehensive network will cost billions, experts believe.

Grey or green?

Hydrogen may be a fuel with water as the only waste product, but producing it - most commonly by "cracking" hydrocarbons such as methane - uses a lot of energy and creates greenhouse gases as by-products.

"One of the reasons for using hydrogen is to reduce the carbon footprint, so splitting methane leaves you with the problem of what to do with the CO2 produced," says Dr Nichol.

Hybrid power station This German power station can produce electricity, heat and hydrogen from renewable energy sources

This industrially produced "grey hydrogen" currently accounts for about 95% of total production, says Pierre-Etienne Franc, head of advanced business and technology for Air Liquide, another big industrial gases company.

Far more eco-friendly is hydrogen produced through electrolysis - splitting water into its constituent hydrogen and oxygen molecules - particularly if the electricity used has come from renewable sources, such as wind and solar.

This is the ideal zero-carbon solution.

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Graphic of hydrogen

Hydrogen facts

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Another big advantage of electrolysis is that it allows hydrogen to be produced on site, cutting out distribution costs.

Denmark already has five hydrogen filling stations with embedded electrolysers, and Aberdeen City Council recently opened the UK's largest hydrogen production and bus refuelling station, owned and operated by BOC.

Hydrogen bus Aberdeen is now home to Europe's largest hydrogen bus fleet

The station will fuel 10 hydrogen fuel cell buses.

"But [electrolysis] is about 10 times more expensive than industrial production," admits Mr Franc.

These costs could come down if night-time wind power electricity were used to produce hydrogen when domestic demand is at its lowest, he argues. Oil companies like Shell are currently exploring this option.

Hydrogen future?

So are we well on the road to a fully-fledged hydrogen economy, weaned off our dependence on damaging hydrocarbons?

Possibly, but most industry experts believe that road will be a long one.

"It's going to take a long time because you're completely changing the paradigm - the infrastructure, the regulations - everything," says Mr Franc. "We're on a journey, but we can't go too fast."

The Carbon Trust's Alex Hart is similarly cautious: "Vehicles will definitely be fuelled differently in future, but whether by hydrogen, electricity or biofuel is less clear. We just don't know what the dominant technology will be.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: agitprop; alternativeenergy; fuelcellcar; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hydrogen; hydrogenfuel; rampantstupidity; unitedkingdom
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With a range of about 300-400 miles (480-640km) and a tank that can be filled in a matter of minutes, Toyota is hoping FCEVs can give conventional electric vehicles (EVs) a run for their money.

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This is impressive but they don't talk about cost so these are likely in the same price range as the Tesla without having its good looks.

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"In Japan we have a three-year waiting list for the car - demand is outstripping supply," says Toyota's Nik Pearson.

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Judging by the demand for the hydrogen cars in Japan--these cars are going to steadily gain traction and as they do so--their price points will come down.

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Earlier this year, Toyota announced that it would share nearly 6,000 of its hydrogen fuel cell patents in a bid to boost FCEV development.

The patent portfolio covers fuel cell stacks, high-pressure hydrogen tanks, software control systems and the industrial processes involved in generating and supplying the gas

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Looks like they are copying Tesla's offer to open up their patents.

1 posted on 03/21/2015 5:36:00 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Hydrogen also goes BOOM!!! if you don’t handle it carefully. Or if you decide to do other things with it. As to filling up cars with it and using it as fuel. I dunno. The Hindenburg comes to mind.


2 posted on 03/21/2015 5:38:49 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

no thanks, electric car is better than hydrogen car


3 posted on 03/21/2015 5:41:08 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: jmacusa

Hydrogen is an excellent energy source but fossil fuels are much more user friendly.


4 posted on 03/21/2015 5:41:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: ckilmer
At least the article doesn't pretend that there are some miracle hydrogen wells out there from which you can get hydrogen without supplying a lot of energy splitting it apart from the molecules containing it.
5 posted on 03/21/2015 5:41:15 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: ckilmer
Non-engineers know that hydrogen is the way to go.

Why are engineers so stupid?

6 posted on 03/21/2015 5:41:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If obama speaks and there is no one there to hear it, is it still a lie?)
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To: jmacusa

Hydrogen cars are safe. They are designed so that, in the event of a tank puncture, the hydrogen will evaporate before it can do anything.

Also, it wasn’t the hydrogen that was the problem with the Hindenburg. It was the flammable paint they used on the dirigibles.

http://www.airships.net/hindenburg/disaster/myths


7 posted on 03/21/2015 5:42:19 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ckilmer
"We're a commercial business - we're not going to build a hydrogen network just for the good of mankind. So we're going to need subsidy from the government."
Of course you'll need a subsidy -- Yeah, I remember my grandfather telling me about all the government subsidies that went into building gas stations when gasoline-powered cars were just coming to market. NOT!!
8 posted on 03/21/2015 5:42:24 PM PDT by Bob (Violence in islam? That's not a bug; it's a feature.)
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To: ckilmer

If this makes headway, the IPCC will highlight the dangers of too much man-made water vapor in the atmosphere, the EPA will declare water vapor as a pollutant, and SCOTUS will agree.


9 posted on 03/21/2015 5:42:57 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
In the era of global warming, it would seem to be the perfect fuel. So why aren't we all driving round in hydrogen-powered cars, moving our goods in hydrogen-powered lorries, and heating our homes and offices with this wonder element?
Because A) there's no such thing as global warming, B) there's no such thing as fossil fuels, and C) hydrogen isn't a fuel, it's a storage system that has to be manufactured, meaning that the usual fuels (coal, methane, oil) would have to be burned to produce the electricity sufficient to make enough hydrogen fuel to run our vehicles.

This is the last time these facts will be repeated. From now on, idiots who bring up those lame-assed Global Warming Hoax talking points will be beaten with steel pipes. Thank you.
10 posted on 03/21/2015 5:45:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: jmacusa
There's more hydrogen in a gallon of gasoline, one of the safest and most efficient fuels available today, than in a gallon of...hydrogen! The production of hydrogen gas is expensive, dangerous and polluting.
11 posted on 03/21/2015 5:45:26 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Engineers have been using hydrogen for years. What do you think was used in the upper stages of the Saturn V?

The issue is making it safe for morons in cars to use.


12 posted on 03/21/2015 5:45:55 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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13 posted on 03/21/2015 5:47:25 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: cripplecreek
Yup. And everyone is concerned at the rear of the vehicle. You still have to have lubricating oil for the engine and that means petroleum products. And all that plastic used in the vehicles. More petroleum based products.
14 posted on 03/21/2015 5:47:53 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hydrogen is a fuel, which has been used for decades in rockets.


15 posted on 03/21/2015 5:48:25 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: KarlInOhio; ckilmer

Graphene-based Fuel Cell Membrane Could Extract Hydrogen Directly from Air
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3236299/posts


16 posted on 03/21/2015 5:48:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: kosciusko51
Then why the Hell aren't you making your fortune on hydrogen, young man?

If it can compete with fossil fuels on even ground, more power to you.

If it requires subsidies for you to build your facilities, then go pound sand.

17 posted on 03/21/2015 5:49:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If obama speaks and there is no one there to hear it, is it still a lie?)
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To: jmacusa

The real trick is to produce a car that can be filled with distilled water, extract the hydrogen and use it as needed.


18 posted on 03/21/2015 5:50:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Jonty30

And the hydrogen blew up. The United States which pretty much had the monopoly on the less flammable helium was prohibiting sales of it to Nazi Germany because of it’s treatment of German Jews. I don’t want a hydrogen car. I’ll stick with gasoline. And besides you still need lubricating oil under the hood and that means petroleum.


19 posted on 03/21/2015 5:51:59 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
Hydrogen also goes BOOM!!!

Yep, and when it burns, it's damn near invisible. That's a real wake-up call if you should run into the flame.

20 posted on 03/21/2015 5:52:52 PM PDT by stboz
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