Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hydrogen, hydrogen everywhere...
market-robots.com ^ | 20 March 2015 Last updated at 10:21 ET | Matthew Wall

Posted on 03/21/2015 5:36:00 PM PDT by ckilmer

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-122 next last
To: CedarDave

Yep, that was a liquid oxygen stir that caused the problem. You would have different issues with a land-based fuel cell.


41 posted on 03/21/2015 6:23:07 PM PDT by kosciusko51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Ouderkirk

that joke is a little too overused.


42 posted on 03/21/2015 6:23:48 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: stormhill
unlike amateurs and dreamers who can operate on the higher plane of fantasy

you forgot to include unicorn farts....LOL But you're right. Hydrogen may have possibilities, but it is not going to be free. The energy to convert it from other compounds has to come from somewhere (fossil fuels or nuclear). The percentage of free hydrogen in the atmosphere is 0.000055% so that is not exactly a legitimate source

43 posted on 03/21/2015 6:24:01 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

I prefer a clue
x 4 with the rusty nail modification for such beatings.


44 posted on 03/21/2015 6:24:33 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51

Bingo! When the government regulates the most plentiful element, we will have a shortage.


45 posted on 03/21/2015 6:26:07 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Ouderkirk

Its simple enough to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water and its a common 6th grade science experiment. The problem for cars is that it takes a lot of energy to do it at the rates a car would need it on demand.


46 posted on 03/21/2015 6:28:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Ouderkirk
This is all very funny but I have a serious question.

If hydrogen is called a fuel, why can't electricity also be thought of as a fuel? Seems a subtle concept but it's key to avoid falling into the trap of trying to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

47 posted on 03/21/2015 6:29:35 PM PDT by stormhill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

Engineers know that to get hydrogen it takes more energy to recover it from a compound than the energy obtained from recombining it with oxygen. Unlike carbon-stabilized hydrogen in fossil fuels, hydrogen is not found floating around in the free state.


48 posted on 03/21/2015 6:31:20 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: stormhill

Simple answer: Hydrogen (H) is an element, and H2 and hydrocarbons are molecules; electricity is neither.


49 posted on 03/21/2015 6:34:11 PM PDT by kosciusko51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51
See post 48.

Further, a battery carries electricy to power a system thereby behaving as a fuel source.

50 posted on 03/21/2015 6:41:08 PM PDT by stormhill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: ckilmer
Do you enjoy sitting on your pair of 10,000 psi, three-layer, carbon-reinforced plastic hydrogen storage tanks? "What? Me worry?"


51 posted on 03/21/2015 6:43:46 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: imardmd1

No, batteries act as an energy source for an electrical system. Fuel cells require the oxidation of a fuel source (hydrogen or hydrocarbons) to generate electricity.

Yes, I am familiar with the issues of extracting and storing hydrogen.


52 posted on 03/21/2015 6:47:46 PM PDT by kosciusko51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Jonty30
my brother almost blew up my parent's basement making hydrogen by putting aluminum turnings in a glass beaker of hydrochloric acid which was being heated over a bunsen burner. hydrogen gas leaked out of the glass tube coming out of the rubber stopper in the beaker catching fire resulting in a lot boom, singing my brother’s eyebrows and his friend's eye lashes. so, how anyone could suggest that the Hindenburg’s fate had nothing to do with its hydrogen flammability, i do not understand? aren't today's dirrigibles filled with helium rather than hydrogen? if so, what is the reason for not continuing to use hydrogen in airships?
53 posted on 03/21/2015 7:00:24 PM PDT by IWONDR
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: jmacusa

Carbon monoxide has almost the same energy density as hydrogen, so were is the fuss about the dangers of carbon monoxide ?

Yes, carbon monoxide is also a combustible.

Humans produce hydrogen as a digestion byproduct every day.

Hydrogen is actually safer in a vehicle than gasoline or LNG, or propane since hydrogen disapates much faster than all of those other fules and does not cling or rather stay on the ground pooling.

There is much hype about what happen to the Hindenburg which is not true.
It was the very flamable paints that they used on the out side of the Hindenburg that caused the initial flames.

I


54 posted on 03/21/2015 7:01:26 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Non-engineers know that hydrogen is the way to go.”

Because public schools have been turnng out total idiots for 40+ years!!!


55 posted on 03/21/2015 7:03:52 PM PDT by dalereed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: ckilmer

Bump!


56 posted on 03/21/2015 7:06:06 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Prejudice and generalizations. That's how Collectivists roll......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jmacusa
A "hydrogen bomb" isn't made with hydrogen. It is made with tritium, a very rare form of hydrogen whose nucleus has not only a proton, but also two neutrons. It is radioactive and has a half-life of 4500 days, such that a bomb made with it is not forever. In fact, most of our radioactive waste is from having to remake these bombs. Contrary to popular notions, radioactive waste friom commercial plants is far less than the waste coming from making hydrogen bombs. Furthermore, this problem is aggravated by the fact that the triggers for the bombs only work about 30% otf the time, so we have to make three times as many bombs as we might intend to be detonated.

Hating other inhabitants of this planet is a very costly passion.

57 posted on 03/21/2015 7:07:44 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: kosciusko51

I agree. Hydrogen has its place. Fossil fuels, however, are so energy-dense and so much more readily available in consumable form that hydrogen cannot take their place.


58 posted on 03/21/2015 7:10:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If obama speaks and there is no one there to hear it, is it still a lie?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

Most people think that when they think of hydrogen production they think of electrolists.
However ? There is a much easier way and cheaper way to produce hydrogen from steam in a process called Gasification.
Check out a website called All Power Labs.
Much of the infrastructure for the production of hydrogen can be created from gascifiers and biomass.
A electric generator, or Internal Combustion Engines can be ran off of a gasifier.
During WWII most of the Scandinavian countries used gascifiers to run their cars, trucks, busses.


59 posted on 03/21/2015 7:11:54 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yep. Energy density is the key. That is the reason that alternate energy sources will have a hard time displacing the internal combustion engine.


60 posted on 03/21/2015 7:13:26 PM PDT by kosciusko51
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-122 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson