Exposing The First Birther [Who was the first person to say that Obama was born in Kenya?]

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Exposing The First Birther

Posted on January 17, 2015 by stevengoddard

Birthers are evil people who say that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. The first birther was almost certainly Barack Obama.

From 1991 to 2007, his literary agents promoted him as being born in Kenya. The only plausible place they could have gotten his bio from is from Barack Obama himself. There was no Internet in 1991. When someone wants a bio, they say “write a short paragraph about yourself.” It is implausible that his bio came from anyone else, or that his agents would have wasted time trying to pull together information about some recently graduated college kid’s birthplace and background.

Miriam Goderich of Acton & Dystel says that she didn’t do adequate fact checking, but she never said whose facts it was she was checking.

So why would Obama lie about his birthplace? If you ask that question, progressives call you a birther. (Queue in the usual progressive scumbags.)

1991

Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii’

2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

2007

http://web.archive.org/web/20070403190001

[Yosemitest]

I seriously doubt that.
Read comment #237.

[DiogenesLamp]

Of course, if you are contemplating forgery by the HDoH, lot's of things are possible.

When a replacement birth certificate is created by the state, we don't call it "forgery."

The attending physician's signature was verified by his widow.

I have a replacement birth certificate because I was adopted. It has a signature of a doctor on it too, even though all the information on it is fabricated.

You see, this is where a lot of people go amiss. Most people are unfamiliar with the methods and procedures of adoption. They do not realize that the 50 states generate about 100,000 fake birth certificates every year.

However, if in fact Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, it's likely the records never left Indonesia and were never submitted to the HDoH.

I believe Lolo and Stanly Ann were married in Hawaii, and lived there for awhile before going to Indonesia. I expect Barry was adopted shortly after the marriage.

[DiogenesLamp]

However, little Barry arriving from Kenya would actually have been a natural-born citizen, ...

Statutory Citizen created by the power of Congress, not "natural born". Children born abroad to a single American female parent are only recognized as citizens as a result of the Cable act of 1922 and the Citizenship act of 1934. (Or in Obama's case, it would have been the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, I think.)

But I never bought in to the theory that he was born in Kenya. The Logistics don't work. From the available evidence I have seen, he was either born in Hawaii, Washington state, or Canada.

[Yosemitest]

He was born in Kenya.

The mother was too young to meet the requirements of the law at that time, to transfer U.S. Citizenship to her child.

Read Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States

All persons born in the United States are citizens of the U.S. (with the minor exception of certain children of diplomatic personnel). This is perhaps the only simple rule of U.S. citizenship.

Persons born abroad before May 24, 1934, to a U.S. citizen father who had resided in the U.S. at any point before the birth are considered U.S. citizens at birth. The status of the mother did not matter unless the child was born out of wedlock.

In 1940, Congress passed a law making illegitimate children born abroad to U.S. citizen women citizens if the mother had resided in the U.S. However, under this law, if the child was legitimated by the foreign national father before his or her eighteenth birthday, the child would not be considered a citizen. The U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. prior to the birth. This residence could have been in the U.S. itself, or in certain U.S. territories.

The rules changed for people born between May 24, 1934, and January 13, 1941. In 1934, Congress passed a law allowing U.S. citizen parents, regardless of their gender, to pass citizenship to their children born abroad. If both parents were citizens, only one was required to have resided in the U.S., and as with the previous law, there was no required length of time that the parent must have resided in the U.S. Illegitimate children born aboard between 1934 and 1941 became citizens under the general provision.

The rules changed again for people born between January 14, 1941, and December 23, 1952. When one parent was a citizen and the other a foreign national, the rules changed substantially. To pass on citizenship, the citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for at least 10 years before the birth of the child, and at least five of those years had to be after the parent turned 16. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother who met the residence requirements were automatically citizens. For a child born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father, to obtain U.S. citizenship the child must have been legitimated before the age of 21.

The rules changed again for people born between December 23, 1952, and November 13, 1986(BHO was born in 1961...so this would pertain to him) When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. (Ann Dunham was only 18...so she was~according to the law in effect at the time~UNABLE to confer US citizenship to BHO,Jr) Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother were U.S. citizens if the mother was a resident in the U.S. for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father acquired U.S. citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.

[Fantasywriter]

‘But I never bought in to the theory that he was born in Kenya. The Logistics don’t work. From the available evidence I have seen, he was either born in Hawaii, Washington state, or Canada.’

DL, I would agree with your conclusion except for one thing. Namely, the transcripts from the Kenyan National Assembly following Obama’s presidential win. Back when they were readily available, I read them over several times. There is no question that the MPs come right out and say Obama was born there. They all agree; there is not one MP who clarifies the record by referring to Obama’s father or to a HI birth, or who makes any other objection.

The part that always interested me most, however, was what the president of the Assembly said. He noted that Obama had called him in the middle of the night, Kenyan time, on the very day Obama won the presidency. Obama asked the president of the Kenyan Parliament to ‘take care of this for me.’ The president agreed to do so—and indeed, says he is actually in the process of doing so at that very moment.

What he actually does is cut off calls for special recognition, at least at that time, of Obama’s Kenyan birth. He then moves the discussion on to the regular order of business.

Now why would all those MPs be so confused? According to several Obot/moonbat sites I read, the Kenyans were simply “wrong.” I.e.: they all actually DID believe Obama was born in Kenya, but according to the Obot commentators, they were simply mistaken.

I really struggle with that. It always sounded to me like a case of white liberal racism. Iow, ‘we American liberals are smart while the black Africans are stupid.’

Is that all there is to the whole National Assembly issue? The Kenyans simply being too clueless to know who was and wasn’t born in their own country?

No, I no longer have the link. It used to be readily available, but I haven’t searched for it lately. The last time I found it and read the complete transcript, I got a major virus on my computer. I haven’t looked for it since. I read somewhere that the transcript is hard to find these days. That may be true; I don’t know.

Anyway, that is the single biggest obstacle between me and considering other options for Obama’s birth. I can’t consider HI because I don’t believe his mother could have lived there for that many mos, delivered a baby in the hospital, brought it home, etc., without *anyone* noticing. The lack of ***any*** evidence that she was in Honolulu during her pregnancy tells me she wasn’t there. [Plus, if she’d been there, her address would have been used on the birth announcements, as opposed to an address at which neither she nor the baby ever resided.]

If you care to comment, I’d be interested in your thoughts. Thanks in advance.

[I recently saw an article online (which I could probably find for you, if you wanted to read it) that contained all the MPs’ quotes stating that Obama Jr was born in Kenya. It left off the single most interesting quote, however, which is the one where the president of the Assembly spoke of his middle-of-the-night chat w President Elect Obama. For me, that quote is the decisive one. Why would Obama call this person and ask for a favor on such an occasion? Is there some other issue he could have been alluding to, or are birth issues the only ones that could realistically apply in context?]

Note: some of the quotes are at the link below, including a comment attributed to Stanley Ann about “returning to Kenya.’ According to the anti-birthers she was never there. Very hard to ‘return’ to a place you’ve never been:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/WhatToBelieve.htm]

[DiogenesLamp]

DL, I would agree with your conclusion except for one thing. Namely, the transcripts from the Kenyan National Assembly following Obama’s presidential win. Back when they were readily available, I read them over several times. There is no question that the MPs come right out and say Obama was born there. They all agree; there is not one MP who clarifies the record by referring to Obama’s father or to a HI birth, or who makes any other objection.

I don't put much stock in the pronouncements of Kenyan Politicians. A lot of them believe that over there, but their beliefs do not constitute proof.

I read two pretty good essays on the topic some years ago, and they pretty much convinced me that a Kenyan birth is highly unlikely.

Here's one of them.

I can't find the other one. If I run across it i'll send it to you.

[Fantasywriter]

That’s a very strange article, DL. It’s all about whether or not Obama Sr. made a short, rushed round-trip to Kenya and back to HI ~the time of Obama Jr.’s birth. I agree with the author. Obama Sr. did not make such a trip.

[DiogenesLamp]

That’s a very strange article, DL. It’s all about whether or not Obama Sr. made a short, rushed round-trip to Kenya and back to HI ~the time of Obama Jr.’s birth. I agree with the author. Obama Sr. did not make such a trip.

The idea that Stanley Ann would go to Kenya without Obama Sr is a non-starter for me. Obama Sr's father hated the thought that his son was taking up with a white woman. Obama Sr also had to work a summer job just to make ends meet while he was in Hawaii.

I didn't see those details in the article I linked, so I expect that they were in the other article which I have not yet found. The bottom line is Obama Sr didn't have the money to pay for the trip, he didn't even pay for his own airfare to get from Kenya to Hawaii, and it is unlikely that anyone else would have forked out the bucks necessary to allow Stanley Ann to get to Kenya.

This is what I mean by the "logistics don't work." The known timeline of Obama Sr's correspondence, the things he said in his letters, the economics, none of it works when you postulate a trip back to Kenya with Stanley Ann.

[Fantasywriter]

We have two solid points of agreement. One, Obama Sr. did not travel to Kenya during the time frame in question. Two, If Stanley Ann went, O Sr. did not pay for it.

On the subject of the Kenyan Parliament, I cannot dismiss them so cavalierly. Yes, they are politicians and politicians lie. But this would have been a stunningly stupid lie. If Obama Jr. wasn’t born in Kenya, that fact would be quickly and easily established, and the Kenyan National Assembly would have been made to look like a collection of fools. Not even liars like to be seen as morons.

Same with Acton & Dystel. They raised two large advances for Obama on the ‘born in Kenya’ narrative. The idea they would not have ‘checked’ such a basic fact is too stupid to debate. If Obama was born anywhere but Kenya, Acton and Dystel swindled not one but two publishers. That simply didn’t happen.

So we will have to agree to disagree on this one. When I found out that Jack Cashill favored the ‘born in Canada’ theory, I considered it long and hard. There is simply not the evidence pointing in that direction, however, as there is pointing to Kenya. Logistically speaking, CA seems much the likelier. But the actual evidence still indicates Kenya. [There is a lot more, btw, than I have mentioned in this brief post. There are many publications that referred to Obama as Kenyan-born. I know of none that alluded to his ‘Canadian birth.’ There are many similar items. Taken all together, it adds up to a lot of smoke, and the simplest explanation is that behind it all is a fire.]

[CpnHook]

In reply to your suggestion I read #237.

First, did you go to the link provided and READ the information in that link ?

Yes. And I pointed out how the information set forth in the link on its face pertained to "Certificates of Citizenship Granted to Persons Who Acquired Citizenship at Birth Abroad.." And I noted that BHO, II was not such a person, as under the then-applicable statutes he would not have been a citizen at birth if born abroad.

In your last post to me you underscore that last point, thus demonstrating the non-applicability of the material you put forth in the prior post. Bravo. Good job.

What follows in #237 is a bunch of speculation (e.g., "WhizCodger proposed") unsupported by any documentation. Just because you can imagine a scenario, doesn't mean you've proven it true in the least. For that you need actual evidence.

So the crossing would have been One American Citizen, the mother Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, and one alien, the baby Barack Hussein Obama II.

Now let's see if you can count. Stanley Ann. That's one person. The baby Barack. That's one person. So we have one person + one person = two persons. Easy, no?

But in the Table you claimed as significant in Post #224 (the one titled "Passengers Arrived in the U.S. . . . by Country of Origin") it lists just ONE person as having arrived from Kenya in that year. (And the chart is counting all persons, because the two columns distinguish "Total" and "Aliens," so "Total" necessarily consists of "citizens" plus "aliens).

So your imagined scenario in which Stanley Ann comes back from Kenya to the U.S. with baby Barack between August, 1961, and June 30, 1962, is contradicted by your own evidence. If those two persons (see counting demonstration above) traveled from Kenya together, then the number in that Table beside the word "Kenya" would have to be at least 2.

Now, I suspect this will again sail right over your head, as you've already demonstrated a high degree of "not-getting-it-ness." But try to focus and learn.

[M Kehoe]

Exposing The First Birther

IIRC, 0bama was the first, and Phillip Greenberg was second.

5.56mm

[Fantasywriter]

‘However, the contemporaneous birth announcement blows those theories out of the water in any case. Remember, Toot didn’t place the announcement. The announcement appears in two separate papers, each containing the same list of babies in the same order.’

Butterdezillion has spent a lot of time studying the birth announcements, and she reports that the lists from the two papers are far from identical:

“The Nordyke twins’ announcement doesn’t appear in the Star-Bulletin anywhere, although they appear in the Advertiser. The lists between the 2 papers are not identical in any way, shape, or form. There are people whose births were announced in one paper 3 weeks after they were announced in the other paper. There are people (like Nordykes) who made it in one paper but not the other.

Based on the analysis I’ve done of all the August births reported, if the Star-Bulletin only published Oahu births (which is the kindest way to explain the numbers in support of the announcements coming from the HDOH office), 26% of the August births on Oahu were not included in the S-B announcements. If you exclude an estimated 100 illegitimate births (There were 1,044 in all of HI for all of 1961 according to the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report) that might not have been reported for embarrassment reasons, that still leaves 18% of all August 1961 births on Oahu unreported. If the papers printed a complete listing of all Hawaii births that percentage would be even higher.

And I may as well say here, also, that there are signs that the microfilm having the Nordyke announcement has been changed out since the first images appeared also. The first images that appeared were sent to somebody by the Hawaii State Library librarian (just like the images for Obama’s announcements), and just like the Obama announcements, marks that were on that image from the librarian are now missing from that microfilm at the HSL. The marks show up even when the actual announcement is placed at the top of the viewer-copier and when it is placed at the bottom, so the marks cannot be from the viewer or copier but from the actual microfilm itself.

So there are not clean-cut lists that show up in both papers identically. The only reason the lists for the Aug 13th Advertiser and Aug 14th Star-Bulletin appear to be identical is because the Star-Bulletin image was enlarged so that the only announcements that showed were the ones that were also in the Advertiser. In reality there were 26 more announcements in the Aug 14th Star-Bulletin that didn’t make it into the Aug 13th Advertiser.

Anybody who actually looked at those microfilms would have easily seen that, which leads me to believe that the Advertiser reporter Will Hoover did not look in the Advertiser’s microfilms and make those copies himself but was given them by somebody else. Either that, or he deliberately lied about the lists being identical in order to claim the lists were from the HDOH office.

The lies we were told were not just about where the images came from. These people were absolutely counting on nobody actually going and checking out the actual microfilms because they pulled so many fast ones on the general public it’s not even funny. Hopefully the truth can eventually come out where even folks like Bill O’Reilly have to grasp it.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2668269/posts?page=352#355

[elengr]

There is a theory (that I probably am getting wrong because I don’t really understand it) that the person born in Kenya is not the same person as aka obama. The various people attesting to aka obama’s Kenyan birth are not lying — someone else whom they assume is the aka obama of today actually was born in Kenya as they claim. According to this theory, aka obama assumed the real Kenyan born boy’s nativity story, at least while it served him early on in his life of deceit.

The man freely lies about anything and everything. It is certain that his Hawaiian birth story is a lie, at least partially if not completely. It is almost certain that his birth certificate number originally was belonged to dead baby Virginia Sunahara. The man’s life story is more mixed up than a fresh load of wash at the end of the spin cycle (his entire life is one ginormous spin cycle).

The more I learn about aka obama, the more I realize that I really don’t have a clue as to when, where and to whom he was born. From appearances, it does seem that Stanley Dunham is somehow biologically connected to aka obama (perhaps the father — who knows?), but appearances can be very misleading and really cannot be taken as conclusive of anything.

The man’s true life story is such a mystery — I wonder if we will ever know the truth?

[Fantasywriter]

I love your writing style. Despite the seriousness of the underlying subject matter, you had me genuinely laughing a couple of times. As a person who appreciates few things more than good writing, props.

Your point reminded me of a new headline on TheObamaFile:

“Presidential Historian Roger Stone: We Literally Know
Nothing About Obama; Sealed All His Personal Records’

Here’s the hook:

‘Roger Stone: Obama is the first pResident who has ever sealed all of his academic records, personal records, and birth records....We literally know nothing about him. .... I do find it interesting that both of his supposed radical parents, throughout their careers, received funding from the CIA connected Ford Foundation.’

Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/01/presidential-historian-we-literally.html#yItJYTkW8WYqstOt.99

I haven’t had time to listen to the audio yet. (I prefer the ObamaFile posts that are all written; I’m a fast reader, and I usually manage to get through the most interesting ones. Audio takes longer, and I end up skipping quite a few of those.) I just thought I’d mention it to you, since your post echoed the gravamen of the historian’s main presentation.

Obama’s life really is a twisted bundle of lies. It’s worked out very well for him so far, but it’s hard to believe it won’t backfire hard on him eventually. Meanwhile, his wholesale destruction of the country continues apace. Sigh.

[Fantasywriter]

Wow—and speaking of TheObamaFile, a poster named SirenDrake just delivered the mother of all smack-downs on Obot trolls. Too good not to share:

‘I have often encountered Obots here and on other sites bragging and sneering and saying things such as “We won and you lost! Losers!”

By saying such things, they not only reveal how infantile they are, they also reveal how shallow and egotistical they are. They reveal that all they care about is their own sense of puffed-up self-importance and whether or not they “won”. Apparently, they are too self-centered to comprehend that there are actually people in the world who would rather lose and die fighting for the right thing than to be associated with the “winning” side when it is evil. These Obots are too fundamentally flawed to care about right or wrong, too narcissistic to care about other human beings, too eager to “win” to ever ask themselves whether what they’re “winning” is worth everything they’ll lose. I could almost pity them if they weren’t aiding and abetting the death and misery of millions of people far worthier than they are.’

Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/01/presidential-historian-we-literally.html#yItJYTkW8WYqstOt.99

[CpnHook]

I immediately called the clerk in Hawaii and asked where the extra page was. She looked, and counted, and said that there must be some mistake in the records – she counted only 13 pages that are available for reprint. I pointed out to her that the page count she sent skipped from page 10 to page 12 – page 11 was missing. To that, she suggested that perhaps the pages were simply misnumbered before they where archived into the microfiche.

There is no "extra page" or "missing page."

There are pages with handwritten numbering in the lower right corner. There are pages numbered 1 through 10; then two pages where the number is missing or blurry; then a final page 12. That last page is the Decree of Divorce. This is no surprise as in an uncontested proceeding the court order or judgment is very often the last thing one will find in the file.

Page 10 is the second page of the Affidavit of Service. Service was done by certified mail, so the Affidavit states the receipt is attached as "Exhibit A." The 11th page in the file would naturally be the sheet of paper where someone taped the green certified mail receipt. Those forms are double-sided. You don't see "page 11" likely because in doing the copying, someone had to remove the receipt from the original page and do separate copies for both sides. These are the two pages that follow Page 10. So what you get in the copy is essentially pages 11-a and 11-b.

In any event, a single missing page couldn't be the supposed Kenyan birth certificate. To be self-authenticating (and admissible before the court) a foreign document would need to be accompanied by a certificate of the relevant U.S. State Department representative).

You would need two missing pages for your Keynan certificate scenario to be possible. Just like you need two persons to be shown entering the U.S. from Kenya on the INS record for your "Stanley Ann came back with baby Barack" scenario to be possible.

This higher level math stuff seems to trip you up. You err, but at least you err consistently.

[Fred Nerks]

You doubt what? That Omar Onyango Obama arrived in Boston about the same time as Barak Obama left Hawaii and moved into 170 Magazine Street Cambridge, where the two men lived together while the younger attended a private high school and Barak attended Harvard...is that what you doubt?

[Yosemitest]

The mother Stanley Ann was counted in a different column, as a returning United States Citizen, so there was only ONE arriving from Kenya, the baby.

Also your comment in 256, your theory that there was no "missing page" just so absurd that it's not worth refuting.

[Natufian]

I was wondering why you posted a cut down version of that immigration table and now I understand - you wanted to spin the information deceitfully.

I’ve seen the original, full size table and your claim that Dunham is counted in another column is bull$hit. I’m sure you’ll do the right thing and post a link to the full table shortly. If you don’t, I will once I have access to a full size keyboard.

[CpnHook]

The mother Stanley Ann was counted in a different column, as a returning United States Citizen, so there was only ONE arriving from Kenya, the baby.

Well, there are only two columns: "Total" and "Aliens." If there were two persons embarking from Kenya to the U.S., one of which was a citizen and one of which was an alien, then the INS would have marked it "Total: 2" "Aliens: 1."

But as I suggested, remedial arithmetic may be a good thing for you.