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Greenfield: Peace With Islam in Our Time
Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, November 30, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/30/2014 1:11:08 PM PST by Louis Foxwell

Sunday, November 30, 2014

Peace With Islam in Our Time

Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog

Abdallah Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau, the crackhead turned Jihadist spawned by the mating of a Canadian immigration official and a Libyan Muslim Jihadist, just wanted peace.

He told a co-worker, “There can’t be world peace until there’s only Muslims.” Then he tried to usher in peace, the Islamic way, by opening fire near the Canadian parliament.

Meanwhile in Israel a reporter interviewing Arab Muslim settlers in Jerusalem found that they too wanted peace. On their terms. “Yes we want peace,” one of them said, “but peace means no Jews.”

When negotiating peace with other cultures it’s a good idea to make sure that the words you are using mean the same thing. Most Muslims and Westerners want peace. But to Westerners peace means co-existence. To Muslims, peace means the end of your existence.

Ideas carry heavy cultural baggage. Peace in the West summons up images of Armistice Day, of the Christmas Truce of WW1 in which French, German and English soldiers could share meals and play soccer together. It carries with it the subversive idea that both sides realize the war isn’t worth fighting.

Such a subversive idea has no place in Islam. The Jihad is at the heart of Islam. To question the holy war is to also question the faith. When war is religion then peace through setting aside war is heresy.

The Western idea of peace is a wholly alien one to Islam. In Islam, peace does not come from men transcending their differences, but from destroying men who think and live differently. That is the function of the religious police of our allied “moderate Muslim” countries who seek out the practice of other religions and other ways of living in places like Saudi Arabia and suppress their practitioners.

Islamic peace does not come from diversity, from accepting the existence of other nations, religions and peoples, but from unity through Islam and eliminating as many differences as possible. If Islam is the source of peace, then all that which is “not Islam” is the cause of war.

Kill the Jews. Kill the Christians. Then there will be peace.

The Islamic idea of peace was aptly expressed by Zehaf-Bibeau and our anonymous Jerusalem Jihadist. It is not based on a recognition of the humanity of one’s fellow man, but on a rejection of their humanity.

As Mohammed curtly put it in missives to the leaders of non-Muslim countries in the region, “Aslim, Taslam.” Convert to Islam and you’ll have peace. The same message has been dispatched by Muslim leaders today to popes and presidents. It’s a message of peace on the only terms that Islam allows.

Islam is the religion of peace. For there to be peace, Islam must be supreme. Within the Islamic worldview, conflict is caused by the existence of dissent. The only way to achieve peace is by forcing the submission of every human being to the correct strain of Islam. “Moderates” may agree to let Jews and Christians live as inferior second-class citizens if they submit to Muslims. “Extremists” will skip straight to raping and beheading them. And once that ugly business is done, there will be peace.

Or there will be peace once the “moderates” and “extremists” have finished killing each other, once the Sunnis and Shiites have finished beheading each other, and once every single Muslim has finished slaughtering every other Muslim who in any way dissents from his understanding of Islam.

That’s the brand of peace we’re seeing in Iraq and Syria today. Or the peace process between Israel and the Arab Muslims who were rebranded as “Palestinians” because it made them seem like a local flavor.

Islam rejects the idea that mutual empathy should transcend conflict. Instead it believes that war should transcend humanity. Or as the Koran puts it, “Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.”

The Western tradition is biased toward the peace of co-existence. It applies the logic of armistice toward all areas of life leading to the championing of multiculturalism and immigration. Its siren song is John Lennon’s Imagine with its call for an end to borders, nations, religions and property. Its ideal of peace comes from the end of structure and separation between people.

The Islamic idea of peace however affirms a structure and separation based on the Koran. It believes that there will be peace when everyone is forced to live within the strictures of Islam. And therefore there can be no genuine peace with non-Muslims who do not submit to Islam.

These two incompatible notions of peace continue to collide. Imagine if French soldiers had clambered out to sing and play soccer only to be gunned down by German soldiers who had a fundamentally different idea of peace. This was actually how WW2 was shaped as the victorious side played by outdated rules while Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR shifted to a thoroughly totalitarian mentality.

Munich was a disaster because Hitler was not the Kaiser. The other side was no longer willing to play by any rules, even in diplomatic negotiations, or to accept anything short of total victory. The Allies were forced to match their enemies in a ruthless war that saw entire cities destroyed.

The Nazis and Communists were the products of years of indoctrination that taught them to see opponents as less than human and peace as being obtainable only through their destruction. Japan, which had a longer history of dehumanizing outsiders, proved to be an even tougher nut to crack.

Islam has a history of over a thousand years of continuously dehumanizing non-Muslims and identifying peace and their enslavement as one and the same. It is impossible to live in peace with Muslims who think that there can be no peace as long as non-Muslims continue to live independent lives.

In the Muslim worldview, war happens because non-Muslims exist. War is caused by the infidel, the disbeliever and the Muslim hypocrite who does not truly commit to the practice of Islam. The Jihad purifies the world of non-Muslims; it eradicates the “moderate” Muslims who have been compromised by Western culture. It is a war of extermination against the un-Islamic.

When Westerners propose peace, Muslims reject them as hypocrites for speaking of peace, but refusing to accept the only religion that can bring peace. They feel no obligation to honor any peace agreements since peace can only come from Islam and the Western rejection of Islam proves our deceitfulness and bad intentions. This dynamic is inherent in the Koran and the entire history of Islam.

Islam does not obtain peace through peace, but through war. It seeks a world without conflict by killing anyone who might disagree with its totalitarian ideology.

Proposing the peace of co-existence to an ideology to which peace means its own supremacy is a foolish and deranged act. Our outreach to the Muslim world does not lack for a common language, but for common ideas. Both sides may speak of peace, but for one side peace really means war.

Languages are not only made up of words, but of values. It is not enough to bring a dictionary to a negotiation if the two parties are reading from different moral and ethical traditions. Just because we translate “Salaam” as peace and agree that we both want peace does not mean that we have the same idea of what peace is.

The West sees peace as living side by side with Muslims. Muslims see peace as the end of the West.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; greenfield; iran; islam; jihad; lebanon; sultanknish; thewest; totalitarianusm
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To: onyx
islam ≠ religion islam = satan's death cult
21 posted on 11/30/2014 2:21:06 PM PST by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: newfreep
islam ≠ religion

islam = satan's death cult

22 posted on 11/30/2014 2:21:57 PM PST by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: Louis Foxwell
So many words, such a waste.

NO ISLAM = PEACE !

Their rules. Our application.
End of story.

23 posted on 11/30/2014 2:39:43 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Greenfield: Peace With Islam in Our Time

All the while, the message is the same. “There can be no peace on earth with radical Islam, but there can be peace with only if ALL THE WORLD is Islam.” Off to the next town. Wash, rinse and repeat.

That should not only be obvious, but it is a lesson already learned multiple times in history. One only has to read Victor Davis Hanson (the respected world military historian) and two or three of his books* should be conclusive.
He is not a delusional theorist; his is the lesson of history, dozens of wars which has never been refuted, when dealing with savages, two-legged animals.

Those who accept only victory or total obliteration must always be accommodated to the last man woman and child. And they must never be allowed to revive.

Non muslims must either accept that reality or die. There is no middle ground. The death of all --- women, children, animals. No trace of them must remain.
Their rule, rational man's application.

All societies and cultures which did not learn the lesson are extinct, forgotten and unknowable!

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Carnage and Culture.

The Western Way of War

The Soul of Battle

The Father of Us All...

War, Ancient and Modern...

24 posted on 11/30/2014 3:18:58 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: mulligan

“”Better solution, kill all the Muslims””

Kind of makes one wonder just what happens if they destroyed everyone who is not muslim and only muslims are left...how long before there is no one left! They couldn’t live peacefully with themselves let alone any other human beings.


25 posted on 11/30/2014 3:22:47 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

But...but...but I was taught by “educators” that all cultures are equal and that I should celebrate diversity. Would these “educators” lie to me??????


26 posted on 11/30/2014 3:49:05 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Does the Pope have a "COEXIST" sticker on the back of hte new Pope-mobile?


27 posted on 11/30/2014 4:25:19 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Kill the Jews. Kill the Christians. Then there will be peace.

Won't happen. But honestly, if we walled off the Muslim middle and far east and Africa, they'd be killing and raping each other in the name of their faith. Sorry, I forgot, ISIS and their ilk aren't Muslim, their faith has nothing to do with anything.

28 posted on 11/30/2014 5:02:13 PM PST by SJackson (incompetent and feckless..the story of the Obama presidency. No hand on the f***ing tiller, Hillary)
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To: hal ogen

But muslims didn’t get the same lessons, remember! They don’t know how to spell diversity. They majored in beheadings and knife sharpening.


29 posted on 11/30/2014 5:14:55 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Louis Foxwell
Peace With Islam in Our Time

Are we finally going to nuke the middle east from orbit?

30 posted on 11/30/2014 5:21:11 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

If someone....say, a certain fallen angel, had wanted to form a new religion that starts with Judaism and Christianity but turns them on their heads, it would look a lot like islam.


31 posted on 11/30/2014 5:34:18 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.; All
Not a hypothetical postulation. Satan created Islam, a statement of fact and history. Research Allah, he is a moon god of destruction, not a god of love and light.

"Moreover, Allah even has no problem swearing by these pagan gods! Here are some references where Allah swears by the heavenly constellations:" (see ref below)

'By the Star when it goes down,' - S. 53:1

'So verily I call to witness the planets - that recede,' S. 81:15

'By the heaven, and At-Tariq (the night-comer, i.e. the bright star); S. 86:1 Hilali-Khan'

According to Islamic commentators, at-Tariq is the morning star which the pagans worshiped:

'And from his narration on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas that he said concerning the interpretation of Allah's saying (By the heaven and the Morning Star): '(By the heaven and the Morning Star) He says: Allah swears by the heaven and the morning star (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; source; underline emphasis ours)'

In these next references Allah swears by the sun and the moon:

'By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him;' S. 91:1-2

'Nay, verily: By the Moon,' S. 74:32

The Islamic exegetes admit that Allah is swearing by the very object worshiped as a god!

(Nay, by the Moon) Allah swore by the moon (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; source)

… '(1) The moon, next after the sun, is the most striking luminary to our sight. Its reflected light has for us a greater mystery than the direct light of the sun, which looks to us like pure fire. The moon was worshipped as a deity in times of darkness…'(A. Yusuf Ali, fn. 5798, p. 1644; bold and italic emphasis ours)

Allah even prides himself on being the Lord of Sirius, the Dog-star which Yusuf Ali stated was worshiped by the pagans!

'That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star);' S. 53:49

Ali wasn’t the only Islamic commentator to admit that the pagans worshiped Sirius:

'...and that it is He Who is the Lord of Sirius - this is a star [lying] beyond [the constellation of] Gemini, which was worshipped in the time of pagandom (jahiliyya); (Tafsir al-Jalalayn; source; underline emphasis ours)'

'(And that He it is Who is the Lord of Sirius) which was worshipped by Khuza'ah;' (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; source; underline emphasis ours)

And:

<'And that He is the Lord of Ash-Shi`ra.> Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Qatadah and Ibn Zayd said about Ash-Shi`ra that it is the bright star, named Mirzam Al-Jawza' (Sirius), which a group of Arabs used to worship.' (Tafsir Ibn Kathir; source; underline emphasis ours)

See: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_swearing_by_idols.htm

32 posted on 12/01/2014 5:14:37 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Yes we want peace,” one of them said, “but peace means no Jews.”

Actually the “Peace On Earth” promised at His birth means just the opposite and includes any other human being who opts out of His Reign.


33 posted on 12/01/2014 8:16:42 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Louis Foxwell

Not just Muslim, Sunni Muslim.


34 posted on 12/01/2014 8:17:46 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: onyx

Bttt!


35 posted on 12/03/2014 10:27:47 PM PST by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who uses the terms “social justice” and “fair distribution".)
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