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Greenfield: Peace With Islam in Our Time
Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, November 30, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/30/2014 1:11:08 PM PST by Louis Foxwell

Sunday, November 30, 2014

Peace With Islam in Our Time

Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog

Abdallah Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau, the crackhead turned Jihadist spawned by the mating of a Canadian immigration official and a Libyan Muslim Jihadist, just wanted peace.

He told a co-worker, “There can’t be world peace until there’s only Muslims.” Then he tried to usher in peace, the Islamic way, by opening fire near the Canadian parliament.

Meanwhile in Israel a reporter interviewing Arab Muslim settlers in Jerusalem found that they too wanted peace. On their terms. “Yes we want peace,” one of them said, “but peace means no Jews.”

When negotiating peace with other cultures it’s a good idea to make sure that the words you are using mean the same thing. Most Muslims and Westerners want peace. But to Westerners peace means co-existence. To Muslims, peace means the end of your existence.

Ideas carry heavy cultural baggage. Peace in the West summons up images of Armistice Day, of the Christmas Truce of WW1 in which French, German and English soldiers could share meals and play soccer together. It carries with it the subversive idea that both sides realize the war isn’t worth fighting.

Such a subversive idea has no place in Islam. The Jihad is at the heart of Islam. To question the holy war is to also question the faith. When war is religion then peace through setting aside war is heresy.

The Western idea of peace is a wholly alien one to Islam. In Islam, peace does not come from men transcending their differences, but from destroying men who think and live differently. That is the function of the religious police of our allied “moderate Muslim” countries who seek out the practice of other religions and other ways of living in places like Saudi Arabia and suppress their practitioners.

Islamic peace does not come from diversity, from accepting the existence of other nations, religions and peoples, but from unity through Islam and eliminating as many differences as possible. If Islam is the source of peace, then all that which is “not Islam” is the cause of war.

Kill the Jews. Kill the Christians. Then there will be peace.

The Islamic idea of peace was aptly expressed by Zehaf-Bibeau and our anonymous Jerusalem Jihadist. It is not based on a recognition of the humanity of one’s fellow man, but on a rejection of their humanity.

As Mohammed curtly put it in missives to the leaders of non-Muslim countries in the region, “Aslim, Taslam.” Convert to Islam and you’ll have peace. The same message has been dispatched by Muslim leaders today to popes and presidents. It’s a message of peace on the only terms that Islam allows.

Islam is the religion of peace. For there to be peace, Islam must be supreme. Within the Islamic worldview, conflict is caused by the existence of dissent. The only way to achieve peace is by forcing the submission of every human being to the correct strain of Islam. “Moderates” may agree to let Jews and Christians live as inferior second-class citizens if they submit to Muslims. “Extremists” will skip straight to raping and beheading them. And once that ugly business is done, there will be peace.

Or there will be peace once the “moderates” and “extremists” have finished killing each other, once the Sunnis and Shiites have finished beheading each other, and once every single Muslim has finished slaughtering every other Muslim who in any way dissents from his understanding of Islam.

That’s the brand of peace we’re seeing in Iraq and Syria today. Or the peace process between Israel and the Arab Muslims who were rebranded as “Palestinians” because it made them seem like a local flavor.

Islam rejects the idea that mutual empathy should transcend conflict. Instead it believes that war should transcend humanity. Or as the Koran puts it, “Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.”

The Western tradition is biased toward the peace of co-existence. It applies the logic of armistice toward all areas of life leading to the championing of multiculturalism and immigration. Its siren song is John Lennon’s Imagine with its call for an end to borders, nations, religions and property. Its ideal of peace comes from the end of structure and separation between people.

The Islamic idea of peace however affirms a structure and separation based on the Koran. It believes that there will be peace when everyone is forced to live within the strictures of Islam. And therefore there can be no genuine peace with non-Muslims who do not submit to Islam.

These two incompatible notions of peace continue to collide. Imagine if French soldiers had clambered out to sing and play soccer only to be gunned down by German soldiers who had a fundamentally different idea of peace. This was actually how WW2 was shaped as the victorious side played by outdated rules while Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR shifted to a thoroughly totalitarian mentality.

Munich was a disaster because Hitler was not the Kaiser. The other side was no longer willing to play by any rules, even in diplomatic negotiations, or to accept anything short of total victory. The Allies were forced to match their enemies in a ruthless war that saw entire cities destroyed.

The Nazis and Communists were the products of years of indoctrination that taught them to see opponents as less than human and peace as being obtainable only through their destruction. Japan, which had a longer history of dehumanizing outsiders, proved to be an even tougher nut to crack.

Islam has a history of over a thousand years of continuously dehumanizing non-Muslims and identifying peace and their enslavement as one and the same. It is impossible to live in peace with Muslims who think that there can be no peace as long as non-Muslims continue to live independent lives.

In the Muslim worldview, war happens because non-Muslims exist. War is caused by the infidel, the disbeliever and the Muslim hypocrite who does not truly commit to the practice of Islam. The Jihad purifies the world of non-Muslims; it eradicates the “moderate” Muslims who have been compromised by Western culture. It is a war of extermination against the un-Islamic.

When Westerners propose peace, Muslims reject them as hypocrites for speaking of peace, but refusing to accept the only religion that can bring peace. They feel no obligation to honor any peace agreements since peace can only come from Islam and the Western rejection of Islam proves our deceitfulness and bad intentions. This dynamic is inherent in the Koran and the entire history of Islam.

Islam does not obtain peace through peace, but through war. It seeks a world without conflict by killing anyone who might disagree with its totalitarian ideology.

Proposing the peace of co-existence to an ideology to which peace means its own supremacy is a foolish and deranged act. Our outreach to the Muslim world does not lack for a common language, but for common ideas. Both sides may speak of peace, but for one side peace really means war.

Languages are not only made up of words, but of values. It is not enough to bring a dictionary to a negotiation if the two parties are reading from different moral and ethical traditions. Just because we translate “Salaam” as peace and agree that we both want peace does not mean that we have the same idea of what peace is.

The West sees peace as living side by side with Muslims. Muslims see peace as the end of the West.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
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1 posted on 11/30/2014 1:11:08 PM PST by Louis Foxwell
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To: daisy mae for the usa; AdvisorB; wizardoz; free-in-nyc; Vendome; Georgia Girl 2; blaveda; ...

So it is with out Muslim POTUS. When we are buried under the refuse of their foreign shores he will claim victory and we will bow down to our Muslim earthly master.

2 posted on 11/30/2014 1:13:30 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Inside the Islamic State’s Capital: Red Bull-Drinking Jihadists, Hungry Civilians, Crucifixions

The Muslim Peace


3 posted on 11/30/2014 1:14:49 PM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Louis Foxwell

When war is religion then peace through setting aside war is heresy.

This needs to be carved in stone somewhere.


5 posted on 11/30/2014 1:22:07 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Islam must be destroyed.


6 posted on 11/30/2014 1:22:23 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
“There can’t be world peace until there’s only Muslims.” ... “Yes we want peace, ...but peace means no Jews.” ...To Muslims, peace means the end of your existence.

7 posted on 11/30/2014 1:26:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Yes, words do matter and their definitions should be mutually agreed to in the strictest “Terms & Conditions”.

Islam is the Cain of religions.

Always self serving, self promoting and consumed with arrogance of presumed omnipotence and universal deceit.


8 posted on 11/30/2014 1:28:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: sitetest

You’re right. Peace with Islam? Only if every single muslim has been killed or converted and every single copy of their terrorist manual (aka the quaran) has been destroyed. Until then, do not kid yourself, there will be no peace with a violent cult sworn to kill or convert everyone.


9 posted on 11/30/2014 1:29:46 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: sitetest

Amen and Amen!


10 posted on 11/30/2014 1:31:31 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Vendome

“Islam is the Cain of religions...” Excellent way of putting it!

Islam is also consumed with Cain’s other sin, jealousy. Its hatred of the West is because the Judeo-Christian West is thriving while societies under its dead-end cult based on hatred and fear are not...putting it simply, they want what we have, and they’re jealous.


11 posted on 11/30/2014 1:31:44 PM PST by livius
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To: Louis Foxwell

Peace with Islam in our lifetime IS possible now...that the Pope prayed in a mosque.

/s


12 posted on 11/30/2014 1:31:47 PM PST by moovova
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To: Louis Foxwell

Better solution, kill all the Muslims.


13 posted on 11/30/2014 1:32:33 PM PST by mulligan (I)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Peace with screaming bearded head chopping savages? When they stop screaming and chopping heads and act like normal civilized people.
(like: never)


14 posted on 11/30/2014 1:32:42 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Someone send this article to the idiot Pope


15 posted on 11/30/2014 1:54:33 PM PST by montag813
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To: I want the USA back

There is a way to stop radical Islam in its tracks.

You go into a village where ISIS is. Their thought is because we are the west, we will not kill innocents. You kill everyone in the village, including the animals. Send word to the next village what will happen if the villagers hide any ISIS fighters.

Doesn’t matter. At the next village, again, kill everyone, including the livestock. Send word again, but this time set your sights on a larger scale. What will happen is the villagers will start rooting ISIS out and killing them, presenting their dead bodies to the oncoming army.

All the while, the message is the same. “There can be no peace on earth with radical Islam, but there can be peace with Islam.” Off to the next town. Wash, rinse and repeat.


16 posted on 11/30/2014 1:56:37 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't spell liberal without label.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

This article is true in terms of the reality of the situation between islam and non-islam. There can never be any true peace between islam and non-islam because “peace” in islam means “total submission to islam”... which of course is not actually “peace” at all.

But I have to quibble with the article for failing to point out that the islamic ideal of peace being achieved when there are no more non-muslims, is just another islamic lie.

If the whole world embraced islam, the war and fighting would continue. It would be like 1984 (the novel) but in pure islamic terms. One islamic camp would fight another islamic camp. One islamic coalition would fight another islamic coalition. It would continue until they all nuked each other and there was no more human life on earth. That’s really the only “peace” possible with islam... all humans dead everywhere. As long as there is a single muslim, there will never be “peace” (not by anyone’s definition).

Islam means war. Period. War with others. War with itself. Killing. Slaughter. Rape. Endless hideous war. It is the Religion of the Devil. (And I’m not even that religious, but I see that.)


17 posted on 11/30/2014 2:04:10 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Louis Foxwell

Left’s idea of peace is lets split the baby


18 posted on 11/30/2014 2:05:04 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: sitetest
Islam must be destroyed.

There isn't a snow balls chance for even a modicum amount of peace until the scourge of Islam is a distant memory. I do believe, however, that God will be the one who destroys it

19 posted on 11/30/2014 2:06:54 PM PST by Mark17 (So gracious and tender was He. I claimed Him that day as my saviour, this stranger of Galilee)
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