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I am not Trayvon MArtin
Truth About Bills ^ | 04/27/2012 | Mark Mayberry

Posted on 04/27/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by Mark Mayberry

 I am not Trayvon Martin

It is the greatest day of the year for a college student.  My exams are done and I am looking ahead toward a summer of relaxation and no homework in sight.  I stopped by my college bookstore today to return my textbooks and noticed a flyer on the student activities bulletin board that said, “We are Trayvon Martin.”

The picture is featured above and is also goes on to state that it was a meeting held by the NAACP on my college campus on April 4th.  Now this flyer got me thinking as I stood in line to return my books and if you have never returned books on the last day of the semester, let me tell you, I had a lot of time to think.

I decided that even though most people want to believe otherwise, most of us are not Trayvon Martin at all.  As a matter of fact, I am nothing like Trayvon nor would I want to be.  It leads me to ponder this question, what does it say about America that so many people think they want to be like Trayvon Martin?

Why I'm not Trayvon Martin

It is very sad anytime something results in the death of a young man but do we not also have to observe the circumstances that caused this death?  There are several reasons that I say I am not Trayvon; I did well in school and was never suspended for drug possession, possessing burglary tools and stolen property. Also my parents never allowed me to walk to the store after dark, I never made a practice of being crass and foul mouthed publically on Twitter and finally I never put myself out to be a member of the criminal element or in more modern words living the “thug life.”  

My parents were fairly strict on me as a child and although I hated it when I was younger, I now understand why they were and it is driven home a little more every time I see a cautionary tale such as this.   I was never in trouble outside of the normal realms of being a bored teenager.  For that reason I never found myself in a strange neighborhood after dark being pursued by a member of  the neighborhood watch.  I would have never dreamed of bringing drugs or stolen property to school mostly because I was raised with a strict code of decency and in my community we were all good people who didn’t take part in such things.  Also the fact that even at the age of seventeen I am fairly sure my father would not have been opposed to snatching me up for such deeds didn’t hurt as a deterrent.

This story involved my parents quite a bit and I didn’t even realize it until I started to frame out the article.  Much of the things that have been unearthed about Trayvon Martim since his death are a result of absent parenting in my opinion.  My father always instilled in me to respect everyone but most of all women.  For that reason I would never issue public Internet statements through various social media sites using disparaging and misogynistic terms.  I was raised in an atmosphere where that was not permitted and if you broke that rule there was a consequence.

From the time I was young my parents both taught me that there was something to be said for hard work and honest living.  My parents, both of whom are successful in their respective fields of employment were great role models to support their claims.  Because of that influence and example I am now on my way to being a successful person in my chosen field and never once have I thought it would be cool to dress in baggy jeans with a hood covering my face.  Not to say that I don’t own any hoodies but the hood is more of a useless addition to the sweatshirt and not to be worn.  I am a firm believer that how you dress sways people’s initial opinion.  I try to dress my best when I am around town and meeting people so I am taken seriously in public.  For the same reason that I assume the guy wearing a badge is a police officer, I also assume the guy walking around with his pants falling down and wearing an oversized hoodie is a criminal.  If you don’t want to be known as a criminal then don’t wear the uniform.

I have no middle finger pictures online nor do I own any gold teeth and although I do have one tattoo it is covered a majority of the time and no one is any the wiser.  The point I am trying to make here is that Trayvon went to great lengths to convince people that he was a thug, living the lifestyle of a ghetto super star and there are consequences to this decision.

If I had to choose, I would say that I am George Zimmerman.  George Zimmerman is a devoted husband who works diligently and does volunteer work with disadvantaged people and at risk youth.  He also volunteered in his neighborhood and most people only have good things to say about him.  Zimmerman has goals and career dreams that he hopes to attain much as I do and because of that I can understand the hard work that goes into pursuing a dream.

Much like Zimmerman I volunteer in my community and do what I can to help out.  Until I moved to Tennessee for school I was a volunteer firefighter and still take part in many activities to help out those less fortunate.

Also I am a concealed weapons permit holder and this is the reason that this case was originally of particular interest to me.  It wasn’t until later when Zimmerman was crucified in the media with lies and omissions that I took up the cause. (Check out my story on the media bias in the Trayvon Martin case.)  Anyone who carries a gun (legally) understands the responsibility and the risk you take in defending your own life.  Because of this I know that unless some new unforeseen evidence surfaces, Zimmerman didn’t shoot Martin on a whim or for kicks, as some would have you to believe.

So I will ask again in closing, are you really Trayvon Martin?  Do you want your kids to be Trayvon Martin?  I for one, try everyday not be Trayvon Martin and to live my life as a productive member of society and a point of pride for my parents not a point of failure.

 



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To: BLOC77

Don’t know what your problem is but you’ve got one.

It makes no difference if he was 17 in terms of what happened.

If he brought this on by jumping Zimmerman and pummeling him and slamming his head down, and the possession of the gun was an issue as well, who gets hold of it and uses it, then it’s kill or be killed.

If this happened to you or yours, it wouldn’t matter to you if the perp was 17 or not, or whether he had a gun or not, or whether you had ever had a run in with police.

None of that matters. All that matters is what happened.

You are heavily into loaded propaganda statements that have nothing to do with anything.

Kids much younger than T have killed, maimed, etc. people much older than themselves. Happens all the time.

Yours is just useless drivel.

It’s called “begging the question”.

The sign of a bad case you’re trying to make good.


51 posted on 04/28/2012 12:06:31 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: PhilDragoo

Ha! Great graphic!

If he had a son, the son would be wearing Mom jeans! lol The man is dominated by women, and is a wuss.

Love where you put your signature. You just know he had to practice that digital posture. He’s not man enough to do it on his own. ;o)


52 posted on 04/28/2012 12:31:00 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: BLOC77

He is a thug because he started the physical confrontation with Zimmerman with no provacation.


53 posted on 04/28/2012 7:55:06 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: txrangerette

Again, where are the medical records detailing the severe head and facial injuries? Why didn’t his attorney release that with the photo of the the back of his head? Why doesn’t Zimmerman’s history of violence towards LEO and women bother anyone on this thread? Why doesn’t Zimmerman’s sketchy work history bother anyone? Why doesn’t it bother anyone that Zimmerman failed a psych. eval. and was turned down for the police academy? Why the “blind faith” is accepting Zimmermans version of events as gospel? At the bail hearing, the lead prosecutor asked Zimmerman why he gave three different accounts of the events that night, why doesn’t that disturb you? Why does the fact that the two lead homicide detectives did not blelieve Zimmerman’s account of what happened that night bother anyone? And this was before this became a national story; they wanted to arrest him and asked the D.A. for an arrest warrent. So you can hardly claim national media pressure was driving their decisions. I don’t know what happened that night, but I do feel that there is enough evidence to show Zimmerman is a hotheaded wannabe cop with a carry permit. Not a good combo. Sad that the race baiters co-opted this incident. I don’t think race had a thing to do with what happened. Why don’t you keep an open mind as I am being told to do?


54 posted on 04/28/2012 8:42:09 AM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: thethirddegree

Could you please give me a link to the artical that details the witness seeing Martin jump Zimmerman? Don’t bother, there is no such witness. They call this “blind faith.” Everything out of Zimmerman’s is the truth because a dead teenager can’t give his side of the story. Zimmerman is not a hero, stop acting as if we don’t accept Zimmerman’s actions that night society will fall into chaos. If you have a carry permit, you have an obligation to avoid any confrontation. Zimmerman was the one holding all the power that night, not Martin.


55 posted on 04/28/2012 8:53:45 AM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: Grand

The fact that there are different accounts from the girlfriend makes the work of the prosecutors subject to even more scorn. As I understand it, the charges against Zimmerman are based almost exclusively on her recollection of her telephone conversation with Trayvon as this incident was playing out.

That’s a pretty poor foundation to begin with for a murder charge. But if the prosecutors didn’t grill her to a fare thee well before pressing charges, they were derelict in their duty and should be subject themselves to charges, minimally professional liability.

Her unedited statements, articulate as they are, make one wonder what it takes to be an A/B student at their high school, as Trayvon allegedly was. Might being an A/B student require attending school at least one-third of the year?


56 posted on 04/28/2012 9:32:17 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: BLOC77

Trayvon may not have actually punched a bus driver, but he was certainly leading people to believe he punched a bus driver:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html


57 posted on 04/28/2012 9:33:42 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77
You are delusional, there is no evidence that he was holding a gun over Martin, you are making that up. The ballistics show that the shot was fired up and threw Martin indicating that Zimmerman was on the ground on his back when he fired. This is supported by EVIDENCE of his shirt being wet on the back covered with wet grass. The EVIDENCE also shows that he had impact and lacerations to the back of his head consistent not with impact of fists but with pavement.

As for your severe brain trauma meme I boxed for a number of years and have been TKO and KO in the ring only once suffering a true concussion. Let me be clear you can be knocked completely unconscious and not suffer "brain trauma" or concussion. You are talking out your A$$.

I have 8 years federal law enforcement experience 4 of that has a high level crime scene investigator so yes I am an expert in this field. The evidence released so far clearly shows that Zimmerman was under attack and furthermore that his gun was about to be compromised, your little cute 12yo had his hand on the top of the gun that is why it failed to cycle the round out of the chamber Keltecs are reliable weapons the only way of failure is to have a second set of hands on the weapon. He was not a 17yo kid he was a 6'3" 17yo MAN who attacked a armed man from behind at night. Zimmerman can be heard to say OK to the you do not need to follow him request and turn back to his vehicle that is corroborated by witnesses who then saw 2 men in a struggle with one man on the ground and another on top of him well guess what sunshine the ballistics show that it was Martin on top if the shot would have been down with Zimmerman on top 1 you would have a shell casing ejected at the crime scene and more importantly 2 the bullet path through Martin would be horizontal with the bullet passing in to the ground behind him. Well guess what the bullet went up and through skittles boy and anyone who has professional knowledge of ballistics which I have years of experience with knows that occurs when you are shoot from below not above.

Due process get a grip you are in no position to lecture anyone about constitutional law. As for lead investigators believing him or not that is irrelevant they do not make the decision to prosecute or not they present evidence to the DA and then to a grand jury as to whether someone is to be brought up on charges. The DA takes in to account the evidence as presented by the LEO and the Investigators then has to make that case to a grand jury for a capital crime or in this case the DA went rouge and took the SD route which she will lose. I am waiting to see the toxicology reports on Martin I would bet 100 bucks he not only has marijuana in his system but he was actively high when he was shot.

Let the FACTS come out those supported by evidence not your feelings it does not matter if a single person "believes" Zimmerman what matters in a court of law is fact and evidence can you PROVE he was not acting in self defence, can you prove he had malicious intent which is a requisite for second degree.

Looking in to Zimmermans background this guy is a community leader at the request of his community they made him the captain of the watch, well respected, by all races. He welcomed Blacks in to his home, doing charity work with underprivileged Black children and is part Black himself as much or more so in percentage than our "dear leader" who is only 5-7% Black and 45% arab. His "violent" past he pushed a UNDERCOVER cop who was trying to man handle one of his friends; turns out later that he was trying to arrest one of his friends but in a dark club all Zimmerman saw was his younger and weaker friend getting man handled and came to his aide, we are seeing a pattern here Zimmerman is a protector, a giver and a nurturer. His domestic incidencs were such that his partner also got a TRO put in her, as any law enforcement officers knows when mutual TRO's are granted then both parties got physical and Zimmerman could have been defending himself against a violent girl friend. Believe me I know how fired up Latina women can get I still have a chunk of pencil lead in my arm after being stabbed by a former Latina girlfriend. Again these incidence were years ago , so much so they had no bearing on his issuance of a CCW permit. Get a grip and wait for all the FACTS to come out in the trial.

58 posted on 04/28/2012 10:17:24 AM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: DuncanWaring

So this is the evidence that Trayvon punched a bus driver? Holy crap, this would not even be allowed into a court of law and rightly so. He was a young kid mouthing off on the internet. Surprise, surprise. Meanwhile, Zimmerman who assaulted a undercover LEO is given a total pass on this thread and on Freerepublic. As a long term lurker, I am disheartened by the rush to judgement on the right. Trust me on this, as a medical professional, Zimmerman would have severe head injuries if his head had been “slammed” into a concrete pavement. Most likely, he would still exhibit secondary side effects which would lead to visible physical and cognitive issues. I have not see any evidence of this and if I have missed this, please let me know.


59 posted on 04/28/2012 10:44:11 AM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: BLOC77

If you were actually a “medical professional” you would know not to make any diagnosis of somebody without actually examining them. You also, unless you are also a “legal professional”, have know clue what would be allowed into a court of law.

Just because you watch Law and Order doesn’t make you an expert.

It would be nice if you quit making things up.


60 posted on 04/28/2012 10:59:59 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Mark Mayberry
I have no middle finger pictures online nor do I own any gold teeth and although I do have one tattoo it is covered a majority of the time and no one is any the wiser. The point I am trying to make here is that Trayvon went to great lengths to convince people that he was a thug, living the lifestyle of a ghetto super star and there are consequences to this decision.

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So, the basis of your screed is that Martin is dead because of his facebook page...the fact that a stranger with a gun was following him at night had nothing to do with it...interesting.

61 posted on 04/28/2012 11:04:40 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: green pastures
Isn't it possible that he thought his life was in danger? Isn't it possible he was “standing his ground” and trying to protect his life? The same thing that Mr. Zimmerman has been applauded for?

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Followed at night by a stranger with a gun, who wouldn't fight for his life?

62 posted on 04/28/2012 11:07:15 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: calex59
He was then followed and attacked by TM. Eye witnesses saw it happen. TM was not standing his ground but initiated the confrontation.

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Well, there's one sure way to end the squabble --- provide a link to the witness who states that he saw TH follow and attack Zimmerman and we can all agree...

63 posted on 04/28/2012 11:10:44 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: JD_UTDallas

I am continung to reply becuase I feel so strongly about this. There was no ballistic evidence given at the the bail hearing. Where are you getting your information? Where is your evidence that his head injury was caused by being slammed into a concrete pavement? There are NO medical records to support your statement. If you were truly a boxer,(no offense meant), the issue involving your situation is called a “closed brain injury or trauma.” this is quite different from from having your head slammed into a concrete pavement. Closed brain injuries are totally different, as you point out. This is why boxers and football players can suffer an injury and still remain upright and show no damage for varying lengths of time. These are tougher to diagnose and go undetected for years, although the damage is significant. This is why brain injuries are becoming an issue in the NFL and other contact sports. I continue to believe Zimmerman was the one who was angry that night. I have searched for links for the information about the ballistics you have cited, I would be interested in reading it. Could you please post a link? Thank you.


64 posted on 04/28/2012 11:18:26 AM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: BLOC77
Again, where are the medical records detailing the severe head and facial injuries? Why didn’t his attorney release that with the photo of the the back of his head?

Maybe he will in court.

Why doesn’t Zimmerman’s history of violence towards LEO and women bother anyone on this thread?

Where's his convictions? He's not convicted, so any 'history' is conjecture at best, or bull$hit at worst.

Why doesn’t Zimmerman’s sketchy work history bother anyone?

Objection. Irrelevant. Sustained.

Why doesn’t it bother anyone that Zimmerman failed a psych. eval. and was turned down for the police academy?

Objection. Irrelevant. Sustained.

Why the “blind faith” is accepting Zimmermans version of events as gospel?

I'm waiting for the trial.

At the bail hearing, the lead prosecutor asked Zimmerman why he gave three different accounts of the events that night, why doesn’t that disturb you?

If an account changes by one word, it's a "different account." After hours and hours of questioning, that happens with tired people.

Why does the fact that the two lead homicide detectives did not blelieve Zimmerman’s account of what happened that night bother anyone?

At that time, there was no probable cause for an arrest. That's what matters.

65 posted on 04/28/2012 11:32:22 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: beandog

You are absolutely correct, I am not allowed to dx. And I would never attempt to dx. And you are correct, no MD, (I am not) would dx on the basis of a photo. All I am saying is where is the medical documentation of severe head and facial trauma? I was simply giving my opinion of what I saw in the photo that was released. I did not see significant injury to the head. Agree or disagree that is your right. Let the justice system work.
I don’t watch Law and Order and I don’t make things up.


66 posted on 04/28/2012 11:35:55 AM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: Darren McCarty

Okay, I hear you. You also have to accept that Martin’s history is also irrelevant. So now we have a kid with no gun and an adult with a gun. With no background being admitted guess what we end up with? One dead kid.


67 posted on 04/28/2012 11:45:57 AM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: BLOC77
Zimmerman does NOT have a history of violence against women and LEO

YOU ARE LISTEING TO THE LAMESTREAM WHORENALISTS

He was involved with an altercation with LEO who did not identify themselves as LEO and who he felt were abusing a citizen. I have SEEN LEO in action more than once where I wanted to step in and tell them to knock it off...

And as for his ex girlfriend? He had a restraining order against her too- so it is he-said, she-said. As a victim of false allegations myself (THANK GOD I WAS IN MY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TALKING ON THE PHONE TO THE JUDGE RE; COURT DATE WHEN SHE CLAIMED IT HAPPEND) I know how these are often exaggerated.

68 posted on 04/28/2012 11:54:04 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: BLOC77
I never said anything about Martin, either. Was it proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not engage in self-defense? That's the question.
69 posted on 04/28/2012 12:07:34 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: BLOC77
I am familiar with closed brain injury or trauma. Zimmerman was struck first with a FIST then fell to the pavement. the police report clearly shows bleeding from the nose and back of the head. Have you been living under a rock? The images of the back of his head are available for all to see, anyone who has done crime investigation can clearly see that those types of impact marks are consistent with pavement particularity the linear nature of the lesions those are indicative of a curb line or other concrete impact from a dead fall backwards. I am EMT certified and volunteered for the local fire department for a few years so I also have seen quite a few curb/concrete impacts to the back of humans heads they are common in children at play mostly and they all exhibit that typical linearity. Stitches are not usually necessary a couple of butterfly bandages and a good ice pack. I personally have a curb line scar on the back of my head from falling backwards into a curb while playing street rollerblade hockey in my early teens.

You have no PROOF Zimmerman was angry it is your feeling and as such irrelevant. I heard the call too he did not sound angry at all he sounded uneasy if anything but see now two people have heard the same sounds and have different feelings this is why it is irrelevant you can no more PROVE that he was angry more than I can PROVE he was uneasy.

The police have the gun in custody and "leaked" that the single round fired brass did not eject. Why leak that well again this is only caused by failure to cycle the slide since the round went off at full power obviously it killed Martin the only plausible way to keep a slide from reaching full rear is for a hand to be holding the slide if an object is behind the slide such as well Zimmarmans chest he would have a very nasty impact wound and bloody lesions as the slide rail metal cuts surely in those situations. A slide comes back with great force and speed. Many a time have I seen a novice shooter leave a part of their hand behind an autoloaders slide only to have a finger broken or worse a huge grove cut across the palm. Even with a palm cut or broken finger the slide still runs full cycle only a firm hand grip on top of a slide will stop it from full cycle. So much so that in the MP academy they teach you to grab the opponents gun if pointed at you in arms reach by the slide thus ensuring only one round can go off. No there was a hand on top of the slide since Zimmerman had no such chest injury. Again in the trial the M.E. better have done GSR tests on Martins hands I would again bet 100 bucks that the palm of his hand or hands both have GSR on them he was trying to take zimmerman's gun away when he was shot bet on that coming out in trial. As for forensics bullet path ballistics analysis that too will come out in the trial none law enforcement affiliated people will have to wait until the trial. I should not have commented on the path of the bullet that was discussed in private amongst law enforcement and was leaked as well on purpose I am sure of that. The little public facts that have been released via images, voice recordings and reports show that Zimmerman was assaulted that is confirmed by the LEO on scene reports go read them they are in the public domain as pdf files, that document his defencsive injuries backed up by images and public releases that his nose was broken he ELECTED not to take transport to the hospital but did see medial attention on his own those records will come to trial as well. He clearly states on record that he streamed for help and no one came, that is backed up by the voice recording of someone screaming for help computer voice analysis will prove it was Zimmerman. He was arrested questioned that is also in the documentation and most assuredly photographed in detail from all angles these images are being held for trial for sure bank on them being defence evidence number one. You are baiting the question yet again and as such this discussion is over I will not discuss your opinions as that would be foolish the facts are coming more will be "leaked" and it is going to burn the image of little skittles boy and set back the race baiters decades in credibility. The reason facts are being leaked is these fools took a cold race war and turned it warm then now see that they got the facts wrong and are back peddling to save face expect more leaks to gradually defuse the F@ck up the media and race baiters et al. made.

70 posted on 04/28/2012 12:22:51 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: Mr. K

The undercover officer stated on the arrest warrant that he identified himself as a undercover officer and Zimmerman replied,”that doesn’t matter” and shoved him again. Why didn’t he call 911 if he feared his life and the life of his friend was in danger? As to the restraining order, he rushed down and obtained one after his girlfriend had filed a complaint. This is not uncommon, I see a manipulative man who knows how to work the system. Wow, for a totally “clean” guy he’s had more interactions with the police and court system then most law abiding citizens.


71 posted on 04/28/2012 12:26:37 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: BLOC77

I didn’t say it was evidence he punched a bus driver; I said it was evidence Sweet Widdle Twayvon was quite happy to have people believing he punched a bus driver.

As to the “head slammed on the sidewalk” story, I’m a little leery of that; its more likely Zimmerman’s head was being pounded into the rain-softened dirt.

The evidence available at this time supports the scenario that Sweet Widdle Twayvon had Zimmerman on his back, sitting on him and pounding him. If in fact that was what was happening, Sweet Widdle Twayvon had forfeited all rights to Due Process, and Zimmerman was fully within his legal, moral and ethical rights to defend himself with deadly force.


72 posted on 04/28/2012 12:31:07 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77
The undercover officer stated on the arrest warrant that he identified himself as a undercover officer ...

Apparently you've not heard that home-invaders have taken to wearing windbreakers labeled "POLICE" and announcing themselves as such.

Why didn’t he call 911 if he feared his life and the life of his friend was in danger?

Because when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

73 posted on 04/28/2012 12:34:28 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77

Oh really who the hell are you to decide what most law abiding citizens are. We have a right to self defence and that does not include having to call 911 if we fear anything if someone endangers my life the cops can come collect the body. You sound like a troll who is better suited for the DU not liberty loving citizens such as us Freepers go peddle your sludge somewhere else.


74 posted on 04/28/2012 12:37:10 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: JD_UTDallas; BLOC77

Seconded.


75 posted on 04/28/2012 12:39:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Again, all I am asking to see is the evidence, interestingly enough, where you see a head being banged against the curb, I see two minor cuts suggesting being pushed against a water sprinkler. If Zimmerman’s head was smashed against against a curb, again you would see significant damage. not two fine lined cuts. I want to hear from the EMT’s, BTW, why wasn’t he transportted to the nearest trauma center? As a EMT, please give me your answer. EMT’s can not give a complete nuero check or clearance. I still have not heard any answer about this from this thread.


76 posted on 04/28/2012 12:48:52 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Again, all I am asking to see is the evidence, interestingly enough, where you see a head being banged against the curb, I see two minor cuts suggesting being pushed against a water sprinkler. If Zimmerman’s head was smashed against against a curb, again you would see significant damage. not two fine lined cuts. I want to hear from the EMT’s, BTW, why wasn’t he transportted to the nearest trauma center? As a EMT, please give me your answer. EMT’s can not give a complete nuero check or clearance. I still have not heard any answer about this from this thread.


77 posted on 04/28/2012 12:49:04 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: DuncanWaring
Thanks Duncan,

I also would like to point out that some poeple have questioned well if TM was on top pf GZ when he was shot GZ should be covered in blood. Again people talking out their collective asses who do not know sh1t about crime investigations. TM was wearing at least 2 layers of heavy cloths including a baggy hoody which would not have been in-contact with his chest when the shot went off as gravity would have pulled the baggy cloth down towards the ground. a 9mm entry wound is very small and the back spatter of blood from that wound would have been small and completely caught inside that baggy hoody the only place for it to have sprayed out was a small 9mm hole in the front. having been shot in the chest the instinctive thing that all humans do is put both hands to the wound this explains why he was face down and his hands were in the front under him that is commonly what you find when a person is shot from the front and falls forward in death. GZ shot him and TM grabed his chest like all humans do and fell over to the side on this face where the responding officers found him DOS like that. One should note the police report it lists SIX adult witnesses man this is going to be a great trial.

78 posted on 04/28/2012 12:53:43 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: BLOC77

‘due process’ only comes into play after afterwards when you have arrested and you are trying a person in a court of law

not when you are on your back fighting for your life


79 posted on 04/28/2012 12:59:26 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Also, if Sweet Widdle Twayvon was positioned such that his skin had shifted relative to the rest of his body when shot, after being shot it would return to the normal resting position, preventing bleeding from the wound.

I know a guy who had that happen to a deer he shot; deer kept going, didn’t leave a blood trail. His son just happened to see it dead across the street on his way home from school (fortunately, still fresh enough to be edible).


80 posted on 04/28/2012 1:00:20 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Now you are suggesting that Zimmerman’s head was being pounded in rain soaked dirt. Zimmerman told the LEO that Martin was pounding his head on the pavement. Yikes, massive disconnect.Trayvon did not have the gun, Why does Zimmerman get due process?


81 posted on 04/28/2012 1:01:45 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: BLOC77

So you’re only allowed to defend yourself if your head is being banged on the sidewalk, whereas if it’s being banged against a water sprinkler you have to lay there and take it?


82 posted on 04/28/2012 1:02:32 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77

Possibly Zimmerman’s situational awareness was a little weak, and it only felt like his head was pounding the sidewalk.

How’s this work again? Head pounded on sidewalk, you can’t defend yourself because you’re in a coma, head pounded in the turf, you can’t defend yourself because your death will not be instantaneous?

You really are embarrasing yourself.


83 posted on 04/28/2012 1:06:15 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77

If the patient is lucid and conscious they can sign a waver of transport and EMT’s have to let them go that is their right to elect non transport. You are wrong about the cuts , pavement splits skulls just like that I have seen it dozens of times. I personalty have 2 fine lines across the back of my head from a meeting with a curb that do not grow hair to this day didn’t lose a whole lot of blood sure hurt like hell though. That time I suffered no lasting trauma only a very sore head for a few days. I have had a stage 2 concussion once from getting in an MMA ring above my weight class wow that was stupid. It is night and day different, tunnel vision, uncontrollable vomiting ect.


84 posted on 04/28/2012 1:07:31 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: BLOC77
Why does Zimmerman get due process?

Why shouldn't he get due process?

Surely you're not suggesting he should be summarily executed because he's clearly a deranged murderer, are you?

Trayvon did not have the gun, ...

A person is not allowed to shoot an assailant who is bigger and/or stronger than them if the assailant does not have a gun?

85 posted on 04/28/2012 1:09:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77
"Why does Zimmerman get due process?"

Due process is a constitutional right and a sole function of the courts, as well as the right to habeas corpus which is why Zimmerman under our constitutional law must be allowed to post bail. You do not apparently understand what due process is, zimmerman is getting due process as is Martin the fact that this is going to trial IS due process for Martin his right are being protected should Zimmerman via the evidence be found guilty of homicide then Martin's right to due process has be served. If because of the facts Zimmeran is no billed then again due process has been served as Zimmermans legal rights have been upheld to a speedy trial judged by his peers based on the principle that he is INOCENT until proven guilty the prosecution must prove that he intended malicious harm to Martin and killed him in such a state of mind. Zimmerman is innocent and acted in self defence until such time as the prosecution has proved beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise and then the jury of Zimmermans peers must decide if there is no longer a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman ment to maliciously kill Martin and acted on such intent. Only then is Zimmerman guilty, if you do not like that tuff sh1t that is constitutional laws we live in liberty under. If you disagree with the above then I sugest the DU is a site you should be whining too.

86 posted on 04/28/2012 1:18:03 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: DuncanWaring; All

If only Trayvon had been white and Zimmerman had been black...and it were racist whites across the country calling for the judge’s head and making death threats sgainst a black watch captain who had defended himself against a white assailant...then we wouldn’t HAVE these problems...sarc


87 posted on 04/28/2012 1:21:10 PM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: All

grrr sorry fat fingers and no spell check *innocent, *suggest :)


88 posted on 04/28/2012 1:25:20 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: DuncanWaring

Funny, becuase I used the same argument that was used against Martin. I heard many times that Trayvon should have called 911 if he felt threatened by Zimmerman. Check out all the threads posted at this link.


89 posted on 04/28/2012 1:35:23 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: BLOC77

See if you can find anyone except for Team Crump claiming the investigators asked for an arrest. Good luck.

The following is sourced, almost 3 weeks after investigating:

Investigator Chris Serino of Sanford police said Friday the agency has worked closely with prosecutors, and have not arrested Zimmerman because prosecutors have consistently told them they do not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.

That’s because Zimmerman says he was defending himself, something he’s allowed to do under Florida law.

The best account of what happened came from Zimmerman, Serino said. Other witnesses who saw or heard parts of what happened corroborate his version of events, the investigator said.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-911-call-20120316_1_deadly-shooting-shot-man-reports


90 posted on 04/28/2012 1:50:23 PM PDT by ironman
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To: wtc911
Well, there's one sure way to end the squabble --- provide a link to the witness who states that he saw TH follow and attack Zimmerman and we can all agree...

If you have been following this crap on FR since it started you would already know about the witnesses and wouldn't need a link. Barring that all you have to do is google and get the full transcripts, the cops(arresting cops)statements and the witness statements.

The reason he wasn't arrested the night of the shooting is because all the evidence was overwhelmingly in favor of self defense. It was over a month later that the race baiters started to make a stink over it and had the MSM release edited tapes and false statements, not to mention edited video of GZ's head wounds and try to pretend GZ confronted TM and shot him out of hand.

If you haven't been keeping up or can't be bothered to do research on your own and find out the truth, that's your frickin' fault and not up to me to correct.

91 posted on 04/28/2012 1:51:41 PM PDT by calex59
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To: BLOC77
Get me on the ground (not likely) and proceed to pound my head etc, and there's a good chance you'll die as result.

I am Zimmerman.

92 posted on 04/28/2012 1:56:25 PM PDT by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: BLOC77

You are asking a valid question and one the prosecution would have done well to check out given the evidence now on record.
Keep an open mind and take 51 minutes to watch the bond hearing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw0Shw075mo


93 posted on 04/28/2012 1:58:06 PM PDT by Grand
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To: ironman

two shots? The recording I heard only had one shot and certainly no one “begging for their life” not only that but it has been reported that the weapon malfunctioned and stove piped the spent shell casing, so unless Zimmerman cleared the weapon and shot again I want to hear this “other tape”. These recording better be official police record recordings we all know how well the media did in doctoring the prior call to suit their agenda.


94 posted on 04/28/2012 2:03:11 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: BLOC77

It’s been widely reported GZ did decline transport.


95 posted on 04/28/2012 2:03:34 PM PDT by ironman
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To: JD_UTDallas

The “two shots” and “begging for life” storylines are more examples of the false narrative pushed by Team Crump/Skittles that have imploded.


96 posted on 04/28/2012 2:10:07 PM PDT by ironman
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To: ironman

Thought so 8 other calls, well then release them from the official police web site in unaltered unenhanced form as AAC uncompressed wav and .RAW formats. I figured it was just more team thugish ruggish lies


97 posted on 04/28/2012 2:17:48 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: calex59
Ah, the old - "If you're too lazy to do your own research then I'm not going to post the link" dodge. Freepers use that all the time when they post "facts" without any proof.

Here's what we all know that it means...you don't have a link to the witness that you state saw martin follow and attack zimmerman - because there is none.....but, as I just said, we knew that...

98 posted on 04/28/2012 2:25:11 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Mr. K
not when you are on your back fighting for your life

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Or when an armed stranger follows you at night...

99 posted on 04/28/2012 2:26:41 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: BLOC77

I have read through this entire thread before choosing to comment. With that I have come to the conclusion you are an Al Sharpton wannabe and don’t give a rat’s rearen about what actually happened.


100 posted on 04/28/2012 3:41:41 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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