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Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Thanks ever so much for updating the thread, I had almost forgotten it existed. Now that the CCP has made it known they have nothing to show that Stanley Ann Dunham was zero’s mother, the information which identifies the dark child as the child Mary babysat in January 1961 and as the son he visited in Boston, then took to Kenya where he went to school and played with Malik is more important than ever.
Cross-posting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3130965/posts?page=763#763
PIng to new post by Fantasywriter:
“Btw, there is a photo on the cover of Mark Ndesandjo’s new memoir, Cultures, of David and Mark together. David looks pretty miserable, but it’s a good photo nonetheless. .”
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/evacairns/files/2013/12/Cultures-Front-Cover-654x1024.jpg
The boys appear to be about aged 9 for Mark and 6 for David making the date of the photo to be around 1974. This would be about 4 years later than the circa 1970 family picture of Sr. Ruth, Mark and David and the studio pictures of the two boys also from around 1970-71 given their apparent ages.
David still shows a strong resemblance to Barry, as would be expected to be possible for a half-brother. This resemblance of David to Barry is one of the best indicators that they could have the same father, BHO Sr. IMO.
This picture blows up the Mal-Val Narrative requirement that David never existed, required to spin a narrative that there was a “baby swap” in about 1964 at which time Barry, a claimed biological son of Malcolm X and a Lebanese actress, Valerie Sarruf, was inserted into Hawaii in the care of nanny Stanley Ann Dunham. In the Mal-Val Narrative BHO Sr. had a son born in Jan 1961 who grew up to be “Roman Obama” that was babysat in Seattle that month and whose mother was mistaken for Stanley Ann at that time.
All of the details of the Mal-Val Narratiive insinuated on this thread all to way back to about comment #300 and going forward can be found on the Mal-Val thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?q=1&;page=1#1
Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)
Cross-posting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3135727/posts?page=21#21
Here are the links (in Kenyan newspapers that refer to Mark’s brother, David):
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/How-Obama-fathers-dream-was-ruined/-/1056/1210630/-/m5j3b7/-/index.html
http://standardmedia.co.ke/m1/story.php?id=2000092553&pageNo=2
The third link is the one that mentions the motorcycle accident/death.
But don’t imagine this will slow the Mal-Valers down. They’ll just say Kenya’s two largest newspapers are in on it. Also in on it are all the people who knew Mark Ndesandjo and his family when Mark was growing up. All the neighbors, all the classmates, all the teachers, administrators, principals, etc. All these ppl wd have known there was never any David, but they’ve never uttered a word, not even a post or two on an anonymous blog.
You see, everyone plays along. When the Daily Nation mentions David over and over, and The Standard (of Nairobi) does the same, readers who know better just shrug and move on. It’s no big deal.
Just as it wouldn’t be any big deal here, if Obama had suddenly added a brother to his own family. Suppose in ‘95 Obama had announced he lost his twin brother, Stan, in ‘87. He said it was a family tragedy, and that’s why they didn’t talk much about it.
You’d think some of the ppl who went to Hi Schl w Obama wd say something. Something like, ‘But except for his sister in Indonesia, he was an only child’.
But no. Nobody would say anything. If Obama decided, in ‘95, that he needed the mythos of a heretofore unknown brother, ppl wd simply accept it and move on.
Right?
This is precisely the problem w Mal-Valism. Nobody ever steps forward to confirm any part of it. Not one person has mentioned Stanley Ann being absent her senior yr at Mercer Island. Instead, the school raises money on the basis of their most famous *graduate*, Stanley Ann Dunham. Hmm.
You’d think a Mal-Valer wd pen them a letter, and mention that it’s fraudulent to pretend a person graduated who didn’t. But this is what’s so weird about Mal-Valism. They never confront the liars. Never.
For a while Kapiolani Medical Center had posted, and was raising $ based on, that hokey letter Obama sent them, claiming he was born there. Then WND sent the hospital a letter and pointed out that if Obama wasn’t born there, they were committing fraud. Boom; the letter disappeared and hasn’t been seen since.
Why won’t the Mal-Valers do similarly w Mercer Island? If they actually get results, the way WND did, they could throw that in the face of the doubters. Still they make no move. Hmm.
I could go on. Nobody at UoW has ever contested the fact that SADO went there a semester. No one who participated in the ‘forged’ transcript has ever blown a whistle. The forged LFBC has a whistleblower, a prominent one. But not one soul has ever said a word about ‘forging’ SADO’s transcripts. Nor has any prof who is listed as having taught her denied it. Profs deny having taught Obama at Columbia. But none have ever questioned SADO’s HI or WA transcripts/class attendance. Hmm.
Nothing about Mal-Valism makes sense. Yet some ppl cling to it. & don’t think a prominent article in Kenya’s largest newspaper will change that. It won’t. Nothing will. Ever. Sad but true.
21 posted on 03/21/2014 4:55:56 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
Cross-posting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3135727/posts?page=24#24
Thanks for the links. No one in Kenya has objected to Barry’s Muslim half-brother, Malik, and Barry’s Jewish half-brother, Mark both claiming that David existed. Both Malik and Mark have posted pictures of David on their own web pages.
I suspect that Mark has been following the Mal-Val cult claims on Free Republic, which he would have seen if he had searched his name on the web, and he may have directly intended to refute Mal-Val by placing his own adult picture on the front cover of his book. Mark has squeezed his adult picture as close as possible to his picture circa age 9 next sitting next to David circa age 6.
The new book cover picture of the two brothers shows normal aging of both boys from the prior family picture and studio pictures circa 1970 when they were circa age 5 and 2.
In the 1970 family picture, Ruth is lovingly cupping Mark’s face in her hand while holding an obviously maternally-bonded David in her arms.
The Mal-Val cult would have us believe that the 1970 family shot and the studio pictures were of two entirely different boys named Roman Obama and Barry and was taken in Boston in 1964 right before BHO Sr. and Ruth left for Kenya. Also on the cover of Mark’s new book is a circa early 1965 picture of his mom, the party girl, obviously younger less matronly as Rush in the circa 1970 picture...that Mal-Val cult says was from 1964.
The Mal-Val cultists also claim that the two boys are only about 6 months apart, when anyone who has had sons can see they are about 3 years apart, as were Mark and David.
I suspect that these claims enraged Mark and to show that he is the “darker boy” and not the unrelated “Roman Obama of Moscow” in 1980, Mark showed his adult face right next to his childhood face circa 1974 with the obvious gradual aging from the circa 1970 pictures.
The fact that David has aged normally from the circa 1970 photo to the circa 1974 photo and is still in Kenya refutes any claims that it is Barry and not David in the studio pictures of the two boys published so often in eligibility threads by Mal-Val cultists.
Slam dunk for Mark against the Mal-Val Cult!
Cross-posting to Mal-Val thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3135727/posts?page=74#74
FantasyWriter posting the picture from the cover of Mark’s new book is check mate for the Mal-Val cult’s great 1964 baby swap diversionary fantasy. David and Mark are guaranteed to be identified inside the book.
Will Mal-Val cult members now stop stalking, hijacking and spamming eligibility threads with unfounded claims, especially claims that Mark is Roman Obama and David is Barry...and trying to groom unwary noobie FReepers for initiation into the secret cult, much as a child molester would?
Probably not. But the cover of Mark’s new book and the two boys circa 4 years older will make it much harder to induct new FReepers into the cult if the cover is called to their attention.
For the record Mark Ndesandjo has put up a pre-launch speech for his new book release
http://www.markobamandesandjo.com/article1.asp?a_id=13
There are two items that I noticed immediately:
1. A less-cropped version of picture of his family circa 1970 showing Mark’s long legs below the knee (white socks) conclusively demonstrating the approximate 3-year age difference between himself and his brother, David, in his mother’s arms (as ever resembling baby Barry, but with much more hair at age two).
2. A special segment of the book will be dedicated to the relationship between his brother David and David’s four brothers and one sister:
“What is the relationship between the 4 brothers and 1 sister and my late brother David.”
Note that one section of the book will explain:
“How Barack and I met for the first time in 1988 and why he denied it in an interview two years ago”
Speaking obviously allegorically, Mark likens the two brothers at that 1988 meeting to “babies” who were then separated for 25 years and met again as adults:
“I have seen babies torn apart by violence and neglect. As babies, Barack’s eyes were full of life and hope, and mine were tinged with a bittersweet innocence. Then we were separated and we followed two different destinies. No longer babies, Barack and I are still recovering from that. He from the absence of a good father, and I from the presence of a bad one. For me the recovery started, twelve years ago, when the little orphan in Shenzhen with the big black eyes looked up at me, grasped my finger and would not let go.”
Many thanks for posting this!
In 1970, Barry was either in Indonesia or Hawaii.
Did Ruth ever visit the u.s. after going to Kenya with BHO (the pipe smoking one)?
Cross-posting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2465278/posts?page=856#856
“U oh HI officials reported to INS that BHO Sr. was the sperm donor.”
The INS FOIA docs are frequently quoted by Mal-Val cult believers when it suits them, especially revelation of the crossing out of the name Soebarkah just a few comments back on this thread.
The INS FIOA docs were retained for 50 years in a federal government repository and I have seen no credible evidence of forgery in any of the documents that have been obtained by several investigators. These documents DESTROY Barry’s father’s reputation and Barry’s foundational narrative in numerous ways which makes it highly unlikely that Barry’s Obots would have forged them to achieve destruction of his own narrative.
Any claim by the Mal-Val cult members that Obots forged the INS docs to distract from a secret son of BHO Sr. born to an unknown mother who grew up to be a specific person, Roman Obama who is only 8 months older than Barry but claimed to be in pictures with Mark appearing to be 3 years different in age is unsupported by any evidence or REASON that I have seen and appears to be delusional, IMO.
To the Mal-Val cult members on this thread, I implore you: REPENT!
Stanley Ann Dunham is named in the INS documents as specifically being impregnated by BHO Sr., living with her parents in Honolulu and intending to attend college in WA state ALL of which is corroborated by U of H and U of W transcripts and witness accounts, many of whom are living.
Zullo has NEVER claimed that the INS FOA documents were forged and, IIRC, his latest statement is that the two new pressers will disclose ONLY:
1. A criminal case that grew out of the forged BC investigation HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO BARRY’S PARENTS ARE or WHERE HE WAS BORN, and
2. Further evidence that the BC was forged but EXCLUDING any evidence of an alternate BC or birth location.
Regarding link in #1702 :
I remember in the toddler picture, the ear of the toddler on left is oval shape, same as that of the boy on the left on marks book cover.
And marks book cover shows boy on rights ear & eyebrows match the current Mark.
And that book cover pic is even later, around 1975ish, when 0 is in high school in hawaii.
He was class of ‘79, per the choom gang pic.
“And that book cover pic is even later,around 1975ish,....”
Book cover pic of the two boys, that is!
“... “How Barack and I met for the first time in 1988 and why he denied it in an interview two years ago” ...”
And if they first met in ‘88, they could not have grown up together, even as babies.
Excellent work!
For the record, the older black man who actually made my lunch in 1980, Obama called him pops, and when questioned on that meaning, he said, uh, yeah, um yes, he’s my dad, yes
Per RaceBannon
“For the record, the older black man who actually made my lunch in 1980, Obama called him pops, and when questioned on that meaning, he said, uh, yeah, um yes, he’s my dad, yes”
RaceBannon:
Thanks for reminding us of your personal testimony.
While the U of H officials may have reported to INS that they regarded BHO Sr. as the dad and also reported the Feb 2, 1961 marriage, only Stanley Ann knows who or how many others including Frank Davis are candidates to be the real dad...other that those in possession of Barry’s DNA with comparative samples from the candidates for paternity, of course!
Barry may have simply “adopted” Pops Davis as his official surrogate dad.
I continue to regard the very strong resemblance of Barry to his half-brother David and Barry’s brotherly resemblance to Mark and George as an excellent indicator the BHO Sr. is most likely the real dad.
I wonder if he even knows the truth, his whole life is a lie
and he may have just been saying things to keep up his image
but I stand by what I heard, I had just been in Mombassa in May of 1980 and it was a hoot to meet someone who told me he was born there when I got back to hawaii
“but I stand by what I heard, I had just been in Mombassa in May of 1980 and it was a hoot to meet someone who told me he was born there when I got back to Hawaii”
Have you considered hypnosis to attempt to draw overlooked/forgotten details out of your memory of this encounter with Barry that might still be stored in your amazing human brain...details that might be very valuable?
The explosive flurry of comments on this rather innocuous post is analogous to disquieting tremors that occur deep in the earth foretelling a coming earthquake.
With all due respect, these "resemblances" are all subjective opinions. The most important of them is the resemblance - if any - between BHO Sr. and the man who now calls himself BHO II. Does BHO II bear a resemblance to BHO Sr., close enough to think that about 50% of BHO II's DNA comes from BHO Sr.? From the photos we've seen, many, if not most of us, don't think so. But again, it's a subjective opinion. The only scientific way to tell for sure is DNA comparisons, and such a study would be practically impossible at this point in time.
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Sort of reminds one of Jerry Springer or similar show. .... Obama base would come from the same trashy audience/guest
Even if the biological father is not the father of record for all legal actions the father of record is given preference in legal matters such as citizenship
Think the documentation recently release settles that! Hoosierdaddy is pure entertainment ! Something Indiana gossips enjoy!
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