Here's a tricky one, what relationship did she have to Yacub, the editor and/or publisher of al Miiqattam, referred to in this essay - appears to be an excerpt from Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Here's a tricky one, what relationship did she have to Yacub, the editor and/or publisher of al Miiqattam, referred to in this essay - appears to be an excerpt from from the author, Pauls, son of Ruta and Joseph:
23 August 2012|Pauls Toutonghi
The Father of Heliopolis
http://www.granta.com/New-Writing/The-Father-of-Heliopolis
9 Sencu Iela
Pauls Toutonghi
On the night of August 3, 1944—in the hot crickety darkness of Riga, Latvia—my grandparents did two remarkable things.
http://www.vqronline.org/articles/2009/winter/toutonghi-riga-latvia/
The Chevy Salesman, Proud and Stressed Out
Pauls Toutonghi, who teaches English at Lewis and Clark College
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/goodbye-to-your-local-car-dealer/#pauls
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/State-archive-photos-can-make-great-holiday-gifts-2263233.php
This property assessment photo from 1937 shows the Capitol Hill apartment where a young Barack Obama would live with his mother in 1961. The state archives has a 1930s photo of nearly every building in King County, and can make copies of the photos for about $20. People who visit their archive branch at Bellevue Community College can get information on their house or scan the image themselves with a portable scanner.
Photo: Puget Sound Regional Branch Of The Washington State Archives
OBAMA BABY SITTER ALASKA INTERVIEW
On Tuesday, supporters of President-elect Barack Obama looked forward to watching him take the oath of office with a sense of excitement, pride and hope for the future. Mary Toutonghi, of Soldotna, was prepared for that and another sensation: Remembrance of the 44th president as a 7-month-old baby.
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Toutonghi was living in Seattle at the time, in the early 1960s. Her husband was going to school at Seattle University, and she was a stay-at-home mom with their 18-month-old daughter.
As her daughter was born in July, 1959, and was 18 months of age when Mary baby-sat the seven month old child of Anna Obama, obvioulsy, her husband had not graduated from Seattle University in August 1961, and the child she baby-sat was born in January.
Cross-posting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/replies?c=132
To: Fractal Trader; LucyT; Fred Nerks
Joseph Toutonghi was born on April 2, 1932 in Cairo, Egypt and emigrated to the U.S. on the ship “Vulcania” on June 12, 1946. He married Mary Jean Zolin (the babysitter) on November 12, 1955 in Los Angeles. Their first daughter Mary Toutonghi was born and died on August 23, 1956 in Los Angeles. Gabrielle Marie was born on July 6, 1959. Michael Joseph (former Vice-President at Microsoft) was born on October 14, 1962. There were two more children before their divorce, and his second marriage to Ruta I. Mindenbergs of Latvia.
Mary Toutonghi “recalls as best she can the dates she babysat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959...”
Do the math.
132 posted on 04/12/2011 5:45:17 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
To: Brown Deer
thanks, really, one should laugh, if it wasn’t so sad. If that was Stanley Ann Dunham for whom Mary baby-sat in January 1961, Stanley Ann Dunham would still have been in High School when that child was conceived.
And who was it identified Anna Obama as Stanley Ann Dunham?
THE WOMAN WHO OPERATES SEATTLE MUSEUM OF THE MYSTERIES.
Now ain’t that a giggle? She also does GHOST TOURS and holds seances.
137 posted on 04/12/2011 6:41:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
To: Brown Deer
In all fairness to Joseph, I doubt if he had any idea of what was going on, he and Mary divorced in the seventies iirc. Here’s something Joseph wrote in 2006:
Regardless of what misguided liberals and the Democrat Party thinks ours is a Christian Nation. From its founders to the present. I am an immigrant from a Moslem country and the main reason I am in this country since 1946 is that in the moderate Moslim country I’m from there was no future unless you were Moslem. I don’t think there is any good reason to change what we have done for hundreds of years in our country to accomodate a handful of immigrants Who demand we change our culture for their convenience. If they don’t believe in the Bible that is fine neither does an atheist a Hindu or a criminal and so on…. We should still demand that they take the oath on the Bible as that is meaningful to us. If they violate that oath they should suffer the consequences.
Comment by joseph toutonghi — December 21, 2006 @ 10:36 pm
138 posted on 04/12/2011 6:46:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
To: Brown Deer; LucyT; All
Do the math.
Pushing baby Barack’s birth back to January 1961 might be consistent with Mary Toutonghi’s account, but it’s inconsistent with Stanley Ann Dunham’s college transcripts, which have her enrolling in the U. Of Washington in August 1961. The only way to explain the discrepency would be to accept that Stanley Ann was not Baby Barack’s mother. But then why would 17 year-old Stanley Ann be taking responsibility for another woman’s baby while attending college at the U. of Washington? Highly unlikely, IMHO.
189 posted on 04/13/2011 12:46:43 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
Why did Gabrielle attend Clovis High School in New Mexico, where her stepmother Ruta was living?
You are naughty but I like it...
What a little simpleton she is, did you know her nickname on her Amazon Page used to be ATOOT until she removed it? And is it any wonder that when we saw that, it seemed a simple conclusion to reach TOOT=TOUT=TOUTONGHI? That maybe the woman the man in the village in Kenya meant when he said the kenyan student had gone to the US, was working for an oil company and had married a woman named ANNA TOOT, we thought maybe ANNA was one of their family?
Oil Company? The eldest daughter Mary Agnes who arrived in the US two years before the bulk of the family, had married Oskar Van Beveren, a geologist for Standard Oil for 30 years. They married in Heliopolis in Egypt and lived in Hollywood.
(Where Mary attended school with the children of Bob Hope, remember?)
Can’t think of a better reason why ANNA would be living at that Seattle address, can you?
Make it more interesting...when Ruta and Joseph married and moved to Clovis, they sold real estate and used the name TOUT in advertismens.
TOOT=TOUT=TOUTONGHI. There might always have been something very odd about that entire Seattle fiasco.
btw, Annette the actress is bound to know another one of the characters in this saga. Hal Siddiqi, remember him? Last known, he’s working at a Seattle Theatre.
To help his old friend, Obama gave Siddiqi a job reference. Siddiqi is a recovering drug addict and now works for a community theater in Seattle. Siddiqi is a strong Obama supporter. On his phone message he says, “My name is Hal Siddiqi, and I approve of this message. Vote for peace, vote for hope, vote for change and vote for Obama.”
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Sohale_Siddiqi
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=995205278&targetid=profile
THE FIFTH AVENUE THEATRE STAFF
Elizabeth Archambault, Tom Barnes, Stephen Braden, Stephen de Tasnady, Bruce Gelman, Raymond Lawrence, Gina Panzeca, Frances Rice, Janet Seier, Hal Siddiqi, Star Zatine
The only way to explain the discrepency would be to accept that Stanley Ann was not Baby Barack’s mother. But then why would 17 year-old Stanley Ann be taking responsibility for another woman’s baby while attending college at the U. of Washington? Highly unlikely, IMHO.
The reason I didn't reply might have been because it was so patently obvious that the girl Mary baby-sat for could not have been Stanley Ann Dunham, so there was no question of her being at the university at the same time as she was caring for a child.
While Mary was babysitting a seven month old child for ANNA OBAMA in August 1961, Stanley Ann Dunham was showing a newborn to Susan Blake, and telling her she was flying out to Boston that very same day.
Makes me wonder, just how would Solomon the Wise have worked that one out? Might he have also decided that Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't anyone's mother - and that's why Susan Blake had to change the dirty diaper?
As the kenyan student wasn't in Boston until almost a year later, what we needed to ask was - just to whom was Stanley Ann delivering that child in Boston?
MX Meets Fuad Sarruf "The dean, who was aware that Malcolm was a controversial celebrity, told him to meet with the Vice President, Professor Fuad Sarruf, yet another Lebanese Christian. The Vice President said he would speak to the American President of the University. The answer from the President came back very quickly: since the University was on American soil, Malcolm, who was deemed an enemy of America, could not speak on campus."
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/s/malcolm_shabazz/index.html
FOLLOWING UP
By Joseph P. Fried
Delays in Release Of Shabazz Grandson It was another tragedy in a family whose first tragedy resounded around the world. In June 1997, Malcolm Shabazz, the 12-year-old grandson of Malcolm X, set a fire that killed his grandmother, Dr. Betty Shabazz, in her Yonkers apartment. The police said the boy, who had psychiatric problems, had apparently been angry because he did not want to live with his grandmother after having had problems living with his mother, Qubilah Shabazz. Ms. Shabazz, ...
June 24, 2001, Sunday .Longer Term Ordered for Malcolm Shabazz
Malcolm Shabazz, the grandson of Malcolm X who set the 1997 fire that killed his grandmother, will spend at least another year in detention — at a more secure institution — because of his recent escapes, a Family Court judge ruled today. ‘’Malcolm’s got a long way to go to convincing all of us that no restrictions at all is appropriate,’’ said the Westchester County Attorney, Alan D. Scheinkman, whose office prosecutes youthful offenders.
August 04, 1999, Wednesday .Malcolm Shabazz Flees Detention
By JANE GROSS
Malcolm Shabazz, who set a fire two years ago that killed his grandmother, the widow of Malcolm X, escaped yesterday from a juvenile detention center in Valhalla, N.Y., further complicating efforts by Westchester County officials to find an institution to treat the troubled 14-year-old. He had been sent to the detention center after fleeing several times from a low-security juvenile institution in Yonkers, and will be charged in Family Court for the latest escape, said Alan D. Scheinkman, th...
July 29, 1999, Thursday .Boy Who Killed Shabazz Has Made Two Escapes
Malcolm Shabazz, who set the fire that killed his grandmother, Malcolm X’s widow, has escaped twice from the Yonkers treatment center where he has been living since February, the police said. Malcolm, now 14, was 12 when he was convicted in 1997 of the juvenile equivalents of manslaughter and arson for setting the blaze in Betty Shabazz’s Yonkers apartment. She died of burns three weeks after the fire.
July 08, 1999, Thursday .Lawyers for Malcolm Shabazz Say He Thrives in Treatment
By JANE GROSS
Twelve-year-old Malcolm Shabazz has grown two inches, learned to play the drums and been elected secretary of his class in his first month of confinement at the Hillcrest Center, a threadbare, turn-of-the-century mansion here that is home to about 60 boys and girls with severe behavioral disorders. The child, who set a fire last June that killed his grandmother, beamed today as he described his accomplishments to Percy E. Sutton and David N. Dinkins, the two semi-retired lawyers who represe...
September 27, 1997, Saturday .Malcolm Shabazz Moved To Center to Serve Term
Malcolm Shabazz, 12, who set the fire that killed his grandmother, Dr. Betty Shabazz, has begun serving his 18-month sentence at a Massachusetts home that specializes in young arsonists. Malcolm was transferred on Sunday from Westchester County’s juvenile detention center in Valhalla to the Lenox, Mass., campus of the Hillcrest Educational Centers, a prosecutor, Barbara Kukowski, said yesterday.
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