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Elderly Couple Hospitalized After Cops Raid Wrong House
Fox News ^ | March 23, 2006 | AP staff

Posted on 03/23/2006 10:59:34 AM PST by seacapn

HORN LAKE, Miss. — An unidentified elderly Horn Lake couple were hospitalized Thursday after police burst into their home thinking it housed a methamphetamine laboratory.

The incident occurred Wednesday about 4 a.m., said police Capt. Shannon Beshears. Beshears said it was the right address but the wrong house.

Beshears said a heavily armed Tactical Apprehension Containment Team stormed the house.

"We had good information from a reliable source that had been backed up by a purchase of narcotics linked to the address. However, when we arrived at the designated address, there were two houses on the lot. We hit the larger of the two houses.

"It was the wrong house," Beshears said. "The house was totally dark and the TACT members went through to the bedroom looking for the suspects."

A man and a woman — both in their 80s — were injured as TACT team members secured the house although no drugs were found. There were children in the house also, but they were not awakened, Beshears said.

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To: Mulder; jonascord

You guys live in a fantasy world. I was on a SWAT team and can speak about this procedure from an experts point of view. This is how it works in laymans terms. Officer gets a search warrant base on his testimony to a judge. He calls us and says I have a warrant to hit a house. He gives us description and address. We drive by and do a look over and plan raid. If address and description match what is written in the warrant we saddle up and execute warrant. Once scene is secure we leave.

Bottom line, officer who gets the warrant and gives the info to the SWAT team is at fault and retains culpability for the veracity of the info. SWAT goes where it is asked and has the lawful instrument supporting that position. Research the actual procedure involved before condemning all who are on scene.


51 posted on 03/23/2006 11:39:42 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: 300magnum

Why are SWAT teams crashing into peoples homes?


16 posted on 03/23/2006 11:12:26 AM PST by 300magnum

Because they can. Secure in the knowledge that nothing will be done about.

At one time in the past there were lawabiding people and the police on one side and the criminal element on the other side.

Now it is only the police against everyone else. The lawople have been lumped in with the criminal element.


52 posted on 03/23/2006 11:40:01 AM PST by sport
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To: One Proud Dad

"I too have "secured" persons in the dark ( some raids are perform in the night and you do not turn on the lights as you run through the house ) that after the fact I realize I was a bit to rough on, but that is the nature of the job. The first time you relax and slow down is the time someone sees you coming and fires shots through the door at you, hits you with a baseball bat, takes a hostage, or jumps out a window."

Must be rough to have to work under that sort of paranoiac anxiety.



53 posted on 03/23/2006 11:40:54 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Mulder

"Those criminals need to be arrested and charged with multiple felonies."

You must be referring to the "criminal" cops who break into to peoples homes with the HOPE of finding something. What would happen if the home owner shot one of the cops?


54 posted on 03/23/2006 11:40:54 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Mulder
Those criminals need to be arrested and charged with multiple felonies.

Yep.

55 posted on 03/23/2006 11:41:37 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: jjm2111

Common sense never got the jackboots bigger budgets, shooting pets and roughing old people works great though.


56 posted on 03/23/2006 11:41:57 AM PST by SandfleaCSC ( “Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.”)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Wouldn't change much, they're cloning them now.


57 posted on 03/23/2006 11:43:10 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: seacapn

I really hate this stuff. I hate the ninja-geared dynamic-entry small-town SWAT bulls--t. Way too often, the cops would rather 'get some' in a midnight no knock dynamic entry raid than do boring, methodical police work. Barf!


58 posted on 03/23/2006 11:43:22 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: One Proud Dad
"that after the fact I realize I was a bit to rough on, but that is the nature of the job."
So, are you saying the nature of the job is to beat the hell out of everything is sight, knock it down, put it away no matter what or how,and worry about weather or not you are actually injuring and/or killing an innocent person later? You are a boob.......
59 posted on 03/23/2006 11:43:37 AM PST by joe fonebone (Vote YES! on Lake Iran......)
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To: seacapn

Also raises another question. If the police break down a door in a wrongfull raid and an officer is shot and killed by the occupant but the homeowner isn't, would it be possible that homeowner be vindicated?


60 posted on 03/23/2006 11:43:37 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: seacapn

This type of inexcusable incident should incur a visit and investigation by the local FBI office and subsequent felony charges.


61 posted on 03/23/2006 11:43:46 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: jjm2111

Then knee jerkers like you scream when some guy runs when you try and arrest him in town and either causes a high speed pusuit ( much more dangerous and unpredictable by ststistic and fact ) or takes hostages when he gets home or runs into your house or business.

Yeah, good answer, not.

Likek I said 1 raid out of all the hundreds that go perfectly and you guys are ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. You would make a good bureaucratic police commissioner who wants to please every one.

99% of raids go off like a charm because the act is performed covertly and quickly to maintain control of the scene.


62 posted on 03/23/2006 11:44:49 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: One Proud Dad

If you want to play soldier, join the Marines. This bounce-them-around attitude just to get an adrenaline rush is getting way old, and is using up any respect us law abiding citizens had. I, and many others, no longer trust you. With 80-year-old couples being hospitalized, and cops arresting people in BARS for drinking, things are spinning out of control.


63 posted on 03/23/2006 11:45:13 AM PST by jonascord ("I'll say this for the long winded Jack-a-Napes. He does know the short way to start a war...")
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
"What would happen if the home owner shot one of the cops?"

I have all ideas the homeowner would go down in a hail of lead so thick he'd gain a dozen pounds at his time of death.

64 posted on 03/23/2006 11:45:59 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: One Proud Dad
"I too have "secured" persons in the dark ( some raids are perform in the night and you do not turn on the lights as you run through the house ) that after the fact I realize I was a bit to rough on, but that is the nature of the job."

So, it sounds like the only saftey concerns are your own saftey and damn any innocent people who might be in the house bacause "that's the nature of the job." If this is the type of mindset drilled into these officers then I have as much to fear from my local SWAT team as I do from any drug dealers in the community.

65 posted on 03/23/2006 11:46:01 AM PST by joebuck
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To: One Proud Dad
I prefer to go home every night and not leve my safety up to arm chair QB's who haven't the nerve to do the job others do.

This is America. If you want to break down doors and tackle people be a real man, join the Marines and volunteer for duty in Fallujah.
66 posted on 03/23/2006 11:46:10 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: Old Professer

I lasted 12 years ( 7 on SWAT ) before I went to relaxed pastures.


67 posted on 03/23/2006 11:46:14 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: One Proud Dad; All
"I prefer to go home every night"

You know innocent homeowners like to wake up in the morning as well.

Don't spew your BS about harrowing you volunteered you cant take the heat then get the hell out of the kitchen, why don't you try entering under RPG and crew served MG and then talk to me about harrowing.

SO tell me wise guy you are at home 0300 you hear glass breaking followed by a flash bang or CS what do you do knowing that you have done nothing wrong?

Take the gamble that they are real JBT's and that they are not home invaders that will rape you wife and kids while you watch before executing you?

Take the gamble that they are home invaders and bleed out after you take a few of the entry team out with you or end up on death roe

68 posted on 03/23/2006 11:46:44 AM PST by vrwc0915
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To: Dave278

I would sincerely HOPE the informant was asked if there was anything ambiguous about that address, such as multiple buildings.


69 posted on 03/23/2006 11:46:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: One Proud Dad
You know, on my planet, those who actually commit the crime are the ones held responsible.

Passing the buck saying they had bad info is lame beyond comprehension. Even if their info was bad, THEY are the ones who committed the crime and put these old folks in the hospital.
70 posted on 03/23/2006 11:46:55 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: Mulder

I guess that I, and others here, lack the bravery and courage to kick down the door of a couple of senior citizens and send both of them to the hospital.


39 posted on 03/23/2006 11:30:20 AM PST by Mulder

Right on. We do not get on the sounds of bones breaking and beating up individuals who cannot fight back. What cowards they are.


71 posted on 03/23/2006 11:47:19 AM PST by sport
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To: One Proud Dad
"He calls us and says I have a warrant to hit a house."

'Hitting' a house should only occur in a hostage situation where an on-scene negotiator has determined that the lives of the hostages are immediate jeaporady. Not for a bunch yo-yos in ninja gear over some meth.

72 posted on 03/23/2006 11:47:26 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: seacapn
"It was the wrong house," Beshears said. "The house was totally dark

WHAT A LOAD OF BOVINE EXCREMENT OF AN EXCUSE -- WHASSA MATTER, NOT ENOUGH FLASHLIGHTS???

73 posted on 03/23/2006 11:47:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: One Proud Dad; All

1 Logging workers 92.4 85
2 Aircraft pilots 92.4 109
3 Fishers and fishing workers 86.4 38
4 Structural iron and steel workers 47.0 31
5 Refuse and recyclable material collectors 43.2 35
6 Farmers and ranchers 37.5 307
7 Roofers 34.9 94
8 Electrical power line installers/repairers 30.0 36
9 Driver/sales workers and truck drivers 27.6 905
10 Taxi drivers and chauffeurs 24.2 67




There's the top ten most dangerous jobs in America, death rate for 100,000 and total deaths per year. I don't see cop anywhere on that list, spare me the "danger" speech. Funny, but none of the occupations on that list are allowed carte blanche to violate the publics' civil rights either. Being a SWAT jackboot is exponentially less dangerous than being a garbarge man. LMAO


74 posted on 03/23/2006 11:48:26 AM PST by SandfleaCSC ( “Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.”)
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To: sport; Mulder

I live next door to an 80 year old widow and I suspect that she is feeding stray cats. I am going to kick her door in tonight and tackle her so the cats stop urinating in my flowerbed. Then I will feel like a real man...


75 posted on 03/23/2006 11:49:48 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: One Proud Dad

Why don't you just set up .50 caliber machine guns up in front of the house and rake it good first?


76 posted on 03/23/2006 11:49:54 AM PST by sport
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To: One Proud Dad
So, does the department that can't get an address correct get a free pass with no consequences??? Or is the throwing of 80-year folks on the floor with enough force to cause bodily injury, perhaps life threatening to people of that age--an acceptable form of conduct? If those eldery people (actually they're my age) need a lawyer to crush the stupid idiots engaged in this ''proper'' law enforcement conduct, I can suggest someone in their area. It appears that an ''arm chair QB'' to One Proud Dad is a person who recognizes a civil wrong when one occurs and wishes the victim the best in seeking a lawful remedy to the tortious injury.

''Nerve'' to do the job has nothing to do with this matter and is an example of a weak attempt at anti-intellectual distraction of the facts. We each choose the job we do and the law imposes on each of us the duty to do that job in a lawful manner and without negligently inflicting injury on another person. To assert that: '' the officers on the entry team are not at fault'' is just another excuse for a universal justification for any wrongful conduct engaged in by a person so long as he purports to be enforcing the law. Thus, a badge and gun is carte blanche and license to be as unreasonable and negligent as one chooses to be because he knows the community will be overwhelmed by the aura of his uniform and the potential danger he faces and hold him harmless.

77 posted on 03/23/2006 11:49:58 AM PST by middie (ath.Tha)
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To: SandfleaCSC

Hey, I was one of those!


78 posted on 03/23/2006 11:50:20 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: joe fonebone

I did not say I beat anyone, I said a little rough, as in snatching someone from a couch, chair, or bed and putting them on the floor quickly. Most people fought back out of instinct so you have to force the issue.

I am sorry you and others are too myopic you get the point. I will stop trying to educate you and let you all revel in your "oh lets disband all police departments and do it ourselves" crowd. If you can do it better have at it slick. One reason I quit because of people like you second guessing every thing we did from the security of you computer.


79 posted on 03/23/2006 11:51:31 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: SandfleaCSC

I think your list is wrong.

#1 should read: Retired 80 year old elderly couple sleeping

That is if you consider retirement an occupation. I consider sleeping an occupation :)


80 posted on 03/23/2006 11:52:24 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: One Proud Dad
"Mistakes are made but the police are right 99% of the time."

In my house, I keep a gun close to my bed to protect my family from intruders. What would the cops have done to me when in the dead of the night I reached for my gun? 99% of the time is BULL$#!T.

SWAT teams kicking in the doors of ANYONE's house is crap.
81 posted on 03/23/2006 11:53:19 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: vrwc0915

I was a Marine ( 3 years in RECON ) so what's you point superman. You want to compare Johnsons?


82 posted on 03/23/2006 11:53:26 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: One Proud Dad

Oh, far be it from us, mere citizens, to second guess our heavily armed para-military police force masters.

We're just too myopic to understand.


83 posted on 03/23/2006 11:54:25 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: SandfleaCSC

Someone else once posted the bottom of that list.

Gardeners were more likely to die on the job than police.

Chivalry is dead.


84 posted on 03/23/2006 11:54:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: One Proud Dad
One reason I quit because of people like you second guessing every thing we did from the security of you computer.

Second guessing? I call it first guessing because there wasn't a first guess.
85 posted on 03/23/2006 11:54:33 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: One Proud Dad

Judging from your attitude, the public is much safer with you at a computer.........


86 posted on 03/23/2006 11:55:12 AM PST by joe fonebone (Vote YES! on Lake Iran......)
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To: csvset

That damned Ernest T. Bass....playing tricks on Barney like that!!!


87 posted on 03/23/2006 11:55:36 AM PST by cajun-jack
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To: MikeWUSAF; SandfleaCSC
"That is if you consider retirement an occupation. I consider sleeping an occupation.."

I think flea was referring to paid occupations - which, on second thought, after the lawsuit on this one sleeping just might fall on the well-paid list of occupations...

88 posted on 03/23/2006 11:55:59 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: One Proud Dad

It is excellent that the entire public got involved in these discussions, not just the "experts" like you. It is excellent that you quit finding that you were not up to the public expectations.


89 posted on 03/23/2006 11:56:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: jiggyboy

"I'll bet it's just about impossible to fall down flat on your face and get a "dislocated shoulder" or "bruised ribs"

just guessing here but i bet you've never cared for any elderly people.....


90 posted on 03/23/2006 11:56:43 AM PST by is_is (VPD of Lcpl Daniel - USMC , 2/5 - Somewhere in the Pacific)
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To: One Proud Dad

If you were a Marine recon, you are a certified badass and I respect you sincerely.

My favorite uncle retired a Sgt Major, and was always a hero to me.


91 posted on 03/23/2006 11:57:00 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: One Proud Dad

Sounds like you're saying, "I was just following orders."

Also sounds like there's no limit to the orders you'd follow.

Shame.


92 posted on 03/23/2006 11:57:29 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: One Proud Dad

"The officers on the entry team are not at fault".

I guess it was the old folks fault for being at home when the jackbooted thugs decided to terrorize them?

Exactly whose fault do you think it was?


93 posted on 03/23/2006 11:57:31 AM PST by Supernatural (Ea wull staun ma groon, Staun ma groon al nae be afraid)
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To: One Proud Dad

"I prefer to go home every night and not leve my safety up to arm chair QB's who haven't the nerve to do the job others do."

It takes a lot of nerve to beat up old people sleeping in their home, and then brag about the safety and comfort of your own home.


94 posted on 03/23/2006 11:57:33 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Let me know how it turns out.


95 posted on 03/23/2006 11:57:35 AM PST by sport
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To: One Proud Dad
I was a Marine ( 3 years in RECON ) so what's you point superman. You want to compare Johnsons?

Just the mentality I expected…

Marines are supposed to kill. Law enforcement officers are supposed to serve and protect.
96 posted on 03/23/2006 11:57:47 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: One Proud Dad
I was a Marine ( 3 years in RECON ) so what's you point superman.

Than you know it is your duty to refuse ANY illegal order from up the chain of command.
97 posted on 03/23/2006 11:57:57 AM PST by SandfleaCSC ( “Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.”)
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Anybody ever wonder why it took a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol, yet there is a 'war on drugs' without one? It's an unconstitutional war.

Cops beating up old people and shooting people 'by mistake' all because they have been *trained* to think that everyone is out to kill them. Truth be known, the 'police force' is largely a bunch of wannabe tough-guys who only get brave when the power of the state is behind them.

Legalize drugs, let the druggies kill themselves w/ cheap dope and leave everybody else alone! Zoned-out druggies are a lot less dangerous that militarized cops who think everybody else is the enemy.


98 posted on 03/23/2006 11:58:26 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: Supernatural
Exactly whose fault do you think it was?

That's just it. It's nobody's fault. It never is.

99 posted on 03/23/2006 11:58:36 AM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: middie

Hey...........Not bad for a lawyer........I kinda like you.


100 posted on 03/23/2006 11:58:43 AM PST by joe fonebone (Vote YES! on Lake Iran......)
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