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Elderly Couple Hospitalized After Cops Raid Wrong House
Fox News ^ | March 23, 2006 | AP staff

Posted on 03/23/2006 10:59:34 AM PST by seacapn

HORN LAKE, Miss. — An unidentified elderly Horn Lake couple were hospitalized Thursday after police burst into their home thinking it housed a methamphetamine laboratory.

The incident occurred Wednesday about 4 a.m., said police Capt. Shannon Beshears. Beshears said it was the right address but the wrong house.

Beshears said a heavily armed Tactical Apprehension Containment Team stormed the house.

"We had good information from a reliable source that had been backed up by a purchase of narcotics linked to the address. However, when we arrived at the designated address, there were two houses on the lot. We hit the larger of the two houses.

"It was the wrong house," Beshears said. "The house was totally dark and the TACT members went through to the bedroom looking for the suspects."

A man and a woman — both in their 80s — were injured as TACT team members secured the house although no drugs were found. There were children in the house also, but they were not awakened, Beshears said.

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This is an interesting story, because it raises an interesting question that some people involved with law enforcement might be able to answer - if you are going to raid a house, or a building, but it's not exactly clear which is the right building to raid, what is the usual procedure?
1 posted on 03/23/2006 10:59:39 AM PST by seacapn
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To: seacapn

EEENEY, MEENIE, MINEY, MOE...........


2 posted on 03/23/2006 11:02:32 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him...)
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To: seacapn
"A man and a woman — both in their 80s — were injured as TACT team members secured the house"

Totally uncalled for hurting those people like that. At 4am I can't believe either one of them, especially the woman, would need to be hurt. I don't care how much adrenaline is there, that is ridiculous.

3 posted on 03/23/2006 11:02:47 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: Red Badger

LOL!


4 posted on 03/23/2006 11:03:05 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: seacapn
The police should be sued to keep this from happening again. The couple could have been killed - and they could still die. This is what happens in the WOD... the police get carte blanche to break the law because they think the means justify the end. How would you like to be confronted with a SWAT team on your property? Sorry isn't big enough to measure the harm done here.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

5 posted on 03/23/2006 11:03:55 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: seacapn

Those criminals need to be arrested and charged with multiple felonies.


6 posted on 03/23/2006 11:05:24 AM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: seacapn

Dumb. I'm for the cops most of the time but this one not only freaked out the old folks but pooched the bust as well. Whatever police work went into identifying the bad guys went out the window because somebody decided to flip a coin.


7 posted on 03/23/2006 11:06:53 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Red Badger

"EEENEY, MEENIE, MINEY, MOE..........."


Response Of The Day nominee right there.


8 posted on 03/23/2006 11:07:50 AM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: seacapn
--another example why most SWAT teams should be disbanded and the members issued a .38 Special with two speedloaders, shod in a pair of brogans with soles about an inch thick and required to walk a beat twice a shift--
9 posted on 03/23/2006 11:08:20 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: seacapn
We had good information from a reliable source..

Well, kind of reliable ....

10 posted on 03/23/2006 11:08:21 AM PST by csvset
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To: seacapn
Beshears said the woman received a dislocated shoulder and the man received bruised ribs.

Clear that this is more JBT action. Anybody you see, take 'em down as hard as you possibly can, one on each arm just to let 'em know who's boss.

I'll bet it's just about impossible to fall down flat on your face and get a "dislocated shoulder" or "bruised ribs". Most of the time when I hear of that kind of injury it's a car accident or falling off a roof.

11 posted on 03/23/2006 11:09:40 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: seacapn
However, when we arrived at the designated address, there were two houses on the lot. We hit the larger of the two houses.

The idea of calling HQ for clarification never crossed this dimwit's puny mind?

12 posted on 03/23/2006 11:10:00 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: seacapn

"if you are going to raid a house, or a building, but it's not exactly clear which is the right building to raid, what is the usual procedure?

"

Apparently, you raid the larger house or building. Perfectly logical, eh?


13 posted on 03/23/2006 11:10:20 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: seacapn
From the article:

He said he believes his officers acted correctly and followed procedures when they entered the first home. "Obviously, a mistake was made and it was regrettable," he said. "But, I stand by my officers. I think they acted properly."

Wouldn't it be a shame if a bunch of armed thugs broke into this JBTs house, and sent him to the hospital?

14 posted on 03/23/2006 11:11:04 AM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rellimpank
another example why most SWAT teams should be disbanded and the members issued a .38 Special with two speedloaders one bullet, which they are required to keep in a shirt pocket at all times.
15 posted on 03/23/2006 11:11:26 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: seacapn
Beshears said the woman received a dislocated shoulder and the man received bruised ribs.

Why are SWAT teams crashing into peoples homes?

16 posted on 03/23/2006 11:12:26 AM PST by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: goldstategop

The fault lies with one officer. The one who petitioned the court for a search warrant. He is typically the same one who leades the raid so he/she is at fault. Very shotty investigative work. Probably got a tip from an informant and did not follow-up. I disagree in suing the whole department.

Mistakes are made but the police are right 99% of the time. You only hear about the 1 out of 100 incidents that they are wrong. Officer in charge should be reassigned or off without pay in the least or a more significant punishment if local, and I repeat local, senitment dictates.


17 posted on 03/23/2006 11:14:29 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: jiggyboy
I'll bet it's just about impossible to fall down flat on your face and get a "dislocated shoulder" or "bruised ribs". Most of the time when I hear of that kind of injury it's a car accident or falling off a roof.

The victims were 80 years old. Not in their 20s. ANY injury at that age is a potentially life changing event from which they will never recover.

At least the Nazi stormtroopers made it home safely, which is all that matters anymore in Amerika.

18 posted on 03/23/2006 11:14:36 AM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Abathar

But hey! At least they didn't wake the children!


19 posted on 03/23/2006 11:15:37 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: Mulder
"But, I stand by my officers. I think they acted properly"
They put two 80 year old people in the hospital, and he says they acted properly? What the hell kind of an arrogant a$$ is this guy? Sue the $hit out of him, and the entire police department there!!!!!!!!
20 posted on 03/23/2006 11:15:42 AM PST by joe fonebone (Vote YES! on Lake Iran......)
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To: seacapn
When I lived in L.A., maybe 15 years ago, there was a raid early in the morning in which the L.A. Sheriffs Department raided the wrong home in the mountains above Malibu. They thought the guy was growing marijuana, which he was not. The suspected weed was observed by the Sheriff's helicopter and amazingly no ground inspection was ever made before the raid. The homeowner thinking somebody was breaking into his house grabbed his gun and was shot to death by the cops. Come to find out, although much of the homeowners land was in L.A. County the home was located in Ventura County. The Ventura County authorities were never notified of the raid beforehand. As I recall the police got away with a slap on the wrist. No action was ever taken against them.
21 posted on 03/23/2006 11:16:09 AM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: csvset
Well, kind of reliable ....

And kind of good...

22 posted on 03/23/2006 11:16:12 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: seacapn
However, when we arrived at the designated address, there were two houses on the lot. We hit the larger of the two houses.

I presume the USPS manages to get mail to the correct house.

23 posted on 03/23/2006 11:16:47 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: seacapn
"Okay, guys..Go bust in the door at 2307 Whatchacallit street, or 2438 or 1957.... Oh heck, ya'll will know it when ya get there!"
24 posted on 03/23/2006 11:17:25 AM PST by FixitGuy
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To: Mulder

The officers on the entry team are not at fault. They have no way of knowing if they are hitting the right house or not, so they follow procedure the same way every time amd so did I. I prefer to go home every night and not leve my safety up to arm chair QB's who haven't the nerve to do the job others do.

Entry team is a harrowng experience some times. Other times it is boring. I trained and implemented on the side of harrowing every time.


25 posted on 03/23/2006 11:18:44 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: freepatriot32
PING



IB4TBL
26 posted on 03/23/2006 11:19:21 AM PST by SandfleaCSC ( “Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.”)
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To: rellimpank
-another example why most SWAT teams should be disbanded and the members issued a .38 Sp

Agree totally. I bet not one of these SWAT thugs hold in their heart the true meaning of the Constitution. Most of them just like power and pretending they are part of some dumb TV show. Believe me, this could happen to any of us. There is NO place in a free society for this type of police unit.

27 posted on 03/23/2006 11:19:51 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: SandfleaCSC

Almost :)


28 posted on 03/23/2006 11:20:05 AM PST by SandfleaCSC ( “Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.”)
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To: One Proud Dad
The officers on the entry team are not at fault.

Puh-leeze. Anyone with a multidigit IQ can figure out that if you have an ambiguous description of the target, you go back and get a clarification.

29 posted on 03/23/2006 11:23:13 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Mulder
The victims were 80 years old. Not in their 20s. ANY injury at that age is a potentially life changing event from which they will never recover.

Spot on. There is no excuse for this type of manhandling of octogenarians, short of one of them making threats against the LEOs with a loaded weapon or something.

This "I stand by my men 110%" after screw-ups like this is too commonplace and goes too far to shield the Bad Guys (read: power-drunk LEOs) from the repercussions of their actions. No wonder so many are arrogant SOBs. Apparently it's been reinforced time and time again that they ARE above the law.

30 posted on 03/23/2006 11:25:14 AM PST by shezza (God bless our military heroes)
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To: seacapn

Dont know,but I still have the picture of that old lady being tackled by linebacker/CHP officer in New Orleans.What a shame.


31 posted on 03/23/2006 11:26:20 AM PST by xarmydog
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To: One Proud Dad
"They have no way of knowing if they are hitting the right house or not, so they follow procedure the same way every time amd so did I."

Which part of the procedure calls for roughing up 80 year olds and putting them in the hospital for the crime of sleeping at home in their beds?

32 posted on 03/23/2006 11:26:37 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Mulder
Obviously, a mistake was made and it was regrettable," he said. "But, I stand by my officers. I think they acted properly."

For this idiot to say such a thing should result in his immediate firing and retraction of any pension. To say such a thing is an affront to Liberty and the rule of law. I despise how those in command always "stand by their officers." They first and foremost must respect Life and the Constitution. Doing the right this must not matter to them. And they wonder why many resort to calling them pigs.

33 posted on 03/23/2006 11:26:37 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: seacapn
One of these days, they're going to raid the wrong wrong house and have the entire column destroyed by a homeowner who's better equipped and trained than they are.

The sooner, the better.

34 posted on 03/23/2006 11:27:26 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: seacapn
Cops have become arrogant housebreakers, IMO. I was shocked this morning (don't know why, though) by a calendar from our local sheriff's department that's on the wall in our employee break room. It shows the 15 members of the sheriff's department (it's a small county) in a 7 x 9 picture all outfitted with their SWAT equipment. The really weird thing, though, is they're all wearing the ski mask type things that hide the face except for the eyes and nose. You can't tell who they are. They look like a bunch of Palestinians, for heaven's sake. Something is radically wrong with a department that puts out a calendar like that.

Carolyn

35 posted on 03/23/2006 11:27:30 AM PST by CDHart
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To: seacapn
Many questions to be answered here. Did anyone even bother to watch the informant go to the residence to purchase the narcotics? Was someone using the old peoples residence to sell out of in the day and then leaving?

Was the "other" house on the property a shed or garage which had been converted into a living quarters? This is my suspicion because of the way the "correct address" issue was worded in the article.

We can all form our own judgements based on the reported circumstances but it sounds like the person in charge of the investigation did not have all of the facts before they acted or allowed the raid to take place.

Think of all of the people in your circle of friends or coworkers. The "hard chargers" need someone around to step up and say "Wait,lets look at all the angles here. Its a pretty hard thing and unpopular role to have sometimes, but it is a very important role. It keeps mistakes like this from happening. Maybe others will learn from this terrible occurrence.

Signed,
The guy that tells people to wait...
36 posted on 03/23/2006 11:28:01 AM PST by Dave278
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To: seacapn
A man and a woman — both in their 80s — were injured as TACT team members secured the house...

I can just see the SWAT/NARC thugs yanking the 80 year olds out of their bed and slamming them on the ground.

Such heroes.

37 posted on 03/23/2006 11:28:54 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: elkfersupper
"The sooner, the better."

Amen. Except then the poor homeowner will probably be charged with attempted murder or murder.

carolyn

38 posted on 03/23/2006 11:29:02 AM PST by CDHart
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To: One Proud Dad
The officers on the entry team are not at fault

Cool. Does that mean us non-LEOs aren't responsible for anything we do either? Next time I get stopped for speeding can I say it's "not my fault" and get away it?

arm chair QB's who haven't the nerve to do the job others do.

I guess that I, and others here, lack the bravery and courage to kick down the door of a couple of senior citizens and send both of them to the hospital.

39 posted on 03/23/2006 11:30:20 AM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: seacapn
if you are going to raid a house, or a building, but it's not exactly clear which is the right building to raid, what is the usual procedure?

Do whatever you want because the serfs--I mean citizens can't do sh*t about it. War on Some Drugs rocks!

40 posted on 03/23/2006 11:30:48 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: seacapn

The usual procedure is kill them all and let God sort them out.


41 posted on 03/23/2006 11:32:21 AM PST by sport
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To: steve-b; joebuck

Guys on teh entry team are not actively involved in the investigation, they are called to perform the raid only.

Training to perform entries involves learning how to make it through a house ( any soze and floorplan ) and secure all persons inside in the quickest amount of time for two reasons. One, every one's safety and two, the preservation of evidence.

I too have "secured" persons in the dark ( some raids are perform in the night and you do not turn on the lights as you run through the house ) that after the fact I realize I was a bit to rough on, but that is the nature of the job. The first time you relax and slow down is the time someone sees you coming and fires shots through the door at you, hits you with a baseball bat, takes a hostage, or jumps out a window.


42 posted on 03/23/2006 11:32:35 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: One Proud Dad
That one officer works for the department. The SHERIFF is the responsible party. The police department is part of the city government. The city has to bear the costs of it's employee's shoddy work. If the mayor is smart, he will fire everyone remotely involved, without delay. The replacements will be VERY careful the next time a no-knock warrant is served.

These are happening WAY too often. It's a once a week thing, now, perhaps because of the Net and the explosion in information access, but JBTs had better realize that the old method of Shoot, Shovel and Shut up, with the local paper going along to get along, ain't cutting it anymore.

Police departments have too much power to have any expectation of forgiveness for "human error."

43 posted on 03/23/2006 11:32:35 AM PST by jonascord ("I'll say this for the long winded Jack-a-Napes. He does know the short way to start a war...")
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I see the FR search engine is still a joke.


44 posted on 03/23/2006 11:33:47 AM PST by WKB (Take care not to make intellect our god; Albert Einstein)
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To: goldstategop

Won't do any good to sue them. If the people win, the politicians will only raise their taxes to pay the award[plus a little for their own pockets].


45 posted on 03/23/2006 11:34:08 AM PST by sport
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To: seacapn; kmomma; MissyPrissy; Hawthorn; penelopesire; mrsmel; ToddBush; gbaker; realmagnolia; ...

Mississippi ping


46 posted on 03/23/2006 11:34:59 AM PST by WKB (Take care not to make intellect our god; Albert Einstein)
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To: seacapn
Just another case of "Armed and Freakin Dangerous".

Local cop swat teams should be disbanded.

This is what happens when the fedgov gives these little tin horns all that surplus gear.

These bubbas aren't going to sit around and not play with it.

Just like here in the Burgh yesterday, you would have thought it was another 9/11 instead of a guy clearing pigeons with a bb gun.

Instead of sending a seasoned uniformed unit to check it out, they upset the WHOLE DAMN CITY!! IDIOTS!!

Get RID of these teams and let the state troopers, who are far more professional, have a team or two that needs the governors nod to deploy.
47 posted on 03/23/2006 11:35:13 AM PST by Al Gator (Remember always to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: One Proud Dad

You get off on this sort of crap or you wouldn't be doing it, and what's with implying that those who object to brutality or simple ignorance substituting for professionalism are somehow cowards?


48 posted on 03/23/2006 11:37:01 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: seacapn
Well, like many freepers have agreed in the past, no tyranny is too great and no freedom is sacred if giving up that freedom means one person might not get high.

And you can damned well bet that if granny had been popping a couple extra painkillers under the table, the cops would have booked her for it even though it was the wrong house.
49 posted on 03/23/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by mysterio
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To: One Proud Dad

Oooh, I have an idea! How about we get rid of small town SWAT teams and stop doing dynamic entries. Arrest ppl when they are out in town and when they can be clearly identified.


50 posted on 03/23/2006 11:38:46 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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