REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS POSITION STATEMENT

RLC Website ^ | December 8, 2000 | Republican Liberty Caucus

[Reagan Man]

>>>Having said that, taking no position is not a pro-abortion postion, except in the eyes of a very small minority.

I'm glad you're anti abortion. Most members of the Constitution Party are also anti abortion, at least the ones I know here in Colorado. But when people take a neutral stand on the killing of innocent human life, especially at these early developmental stages in the woman's womb, that is tantamount to directly supporting abortion on demand and the pro choice position, or at the very least enabling this horrific procedure to continue.

[gcruse]

 Even if that means opposition to America's successful
national drug control policy.

Please elaborate.  What is the successful nature
of the War on Drugs?  How has it reduced drug
use, kept drugs out of the country, and maintained
our constitutional rights?  How has the constitutional separation of powers
between federal government and the states been impacted by the War on Drugs?

[Protagoras]

But when people take a neutral stand on the killing of innocent human life, especially at these early developmental stages in the woman's womb, that is tantamount to directly supporting abortion on demand and the pro choice position, or at the very least enabling this horrific procedure to continue.

In your mind. But not in mine.

What you are saying is that no group can organize to work toward certain goals if they take no position on abortion. I disagree.

[tpaine]

And as I noted, I doubt we'll see any.
The usual RINO candidates will mouth some platitudes about 'support' for RLC positions, then renege on them if elected.
- Samo, - same old bull.

Someone, anyone, tell me, show me it isn't so.

[Reagan Man]

Well, you're entitled to hold any belief on the issue of abortion you may choose. I happen to think its the greatest issue of our time. Imagine, so-called intelligent, God fearing creatures, chucking this ultimate and critical responsibility aspect of life, in favor of killing one of their own kind. There has been roughly 40,000,000 innocent human lifes taken since 1973 through the abortion procedure and most of them came about, in the name of life style choices. I find that totally immoral and repugnant. In all actuality, abortion is a crime against humanity and mankind.

[tpaine]

It's unfortunate that the RLC has taken that position.

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Read it again, - they are neutral, and did not take that 'unrestricted' position.

[Protagoras]

Well, you're entitled to hold any belief on the issue of abortion you may choose.

And you as well. But this thread isn't about abortion. Then again, from what you have said, EVERYTHING seems to be about abortion to you.

The question is, can groups have no position on abortion while they focus on other things, or not. You seem to think not. Oh well.

PS, I used to be in a bowling league which took no position on abortion, I guess they were pro-abortion.

[tpaine]

Put a sock in it. - This is not an abortion thread, or forum. - The RLC position is neutral.

[gcruse]

 God fearing creatures, chucking this ultimate
and critical responsibility aspect of life

That's an interesting thought.  How ironic, then,
that priests, bishops, and popes are called to celibacy,
denying the births of countless humans in the name
of God.

[Reagan Man]

>>>And you as well. But this thread isn't about abortion. Then again, from what you have said, EVERYTHING seems to be about abortion to you.

I've attempted to be civil with you, but that seems to be an effort in futilty on my part. The critical aspects of political positions taken by the Republican Liberty Caucus is exactly what's at issue on this thread and to deny that is the case, is to run from the truth. I don't expect you'll stop huffing-n-puffing, anytime soon.

If you want to compare you're bowling league with the Libertarian Party, I offer no resistence. Look, abortion is supported by Libertarian's in general. I'm a strong pro-lifer and am opposed to the libertarian philosophy in general. Your basic argument over abortion is intelliectually bankrupt. This is the political, social and cultural issue of our time. If you're too blind to see that, that's not my fault. You're pathetic.

[Protagoras]

I've attempted to be civil with you, but that seems to be an effort in futilty on my part.

LOL, I don't think so. Your blood pressure is rising despite my polite responses. As soon as your postion is refuted in a rational credible way, you lose your cool.

The critical aspects of political positions taken by the Republican Liberty Caucus is exactly what's at issue on this thread and to deny that is the case, is to run from the truth. I don't expect you'll stop huffing-n-puffing, anytime soon.

Please define "huffing and puffing". Oh you mean pointing out that groups don't need to take a postion on every topic? That huffing and puffing?

If you want to compare you're bowling league with the Libertarian Party,

OOPS!! There is the real agenda. A hatred of the libertarians. It didn't take long to get around to it.

Look, abortion is supported by Libertarian's in general. I'm a strong pro-lifer and am opposed to the libertarian philosophy in general.

Off topic, this thread isn't about the Libertarian Party or abortion.

Your basic argument over abortion is intelliectually bankrupt.

Hmmm, funny, you said you were happy that I am anti-abortion. Hmmmm, I guess you want me to be pro-abortion? LOL

This is the political, social and cultural issue of our time. If you're too blind to see that, that's not my fault. You're pathetic.

Personal attacks are a the last course of action for the defeated.

Hey, maybe Robinson will pull your post or your priviledges for violation of the rules. It is his thread, and his site. LOL

[madfly]

This is a thread about uniting for Liberty. A positive idea. Changes can not be made 5, 10, 20 issues at a time. LIBERTY is a BIG and meaningful word inspire unity. I find your desire to debate something in the Long List of issues posted to be petty , disruptive and out of line.

[Protagoras]

It seems that many posters on this forum have such an obsession against individual liberty that they attempt to hi-jack every thread and turn it into an attack on libertarians. Some have become so bold (due to the lack of rebuffs from the mods) that they even hi-jack the threads of the site owner. Much to the detriment of the forum. A shame, IMO.

[billbears]

I would definately vote for any Republican who supports the above position.

And I'll bump that. Too bad the RNC isn't giving us that option this time here in NC. I tend to disagree with some of the anti-WOD crowd for legalization, however it is not the general government's concern. It should be handled at the state level. I would like to see a pro-life adoption as well. I don't see myself leaving the Southern Party anytime soon but I generally vote for the Republican candidate (unless of course it's local and in a lot of cases Republicans just don't run at the local level). But if the RLC gains strength in the Republican party, I could easily support candidates that they offered

[Reagan Man]

>>>Personal attacks are a the last course of action for the defeated.

I haven't engaged in any personal attacks. Just political debate. You've lost the argument and now your whining about it. That's nothing new. And your attempting to use standard convoluted reasoning for your failure to best me on the issues. Standard fair for the intellectually and emotionally challenged.

>>>Hey, maybe Robinson will pull your post or your priviledges for violation of the rules. It is his thread, and his site. LOL

If you want to make outrageous and foolish threats that you can't back up, so be it. Better yet, get your own website, invite me onto it and then ban me. LMAO Like I said, you are pathetic. When you stop crying and want to engage in civil debate on the political issues of our time, this conservative will be around. Just PING me. Until then, rant on little man.

[Reagan Man]

>>>This is a thread about uniting for Liberty.

This is a thread about the Republican Liberty Caucus. That makes its positions on the issues highly relevent to conservatives like me and the current national debate on all the issues. If you read my initial post, you would have understood that. But instead, you've become petty yourself and chosen to define what is proper debate for Free Republic. Guess you don't believe in freedom of speech and the Bill of Rights either. Figures.

[Protagoras]

I haven't engaged in any personal attacks. Just political debate.

Political debate and no personal attacks? LOL, OK, Lets examine it.

I don't expect you'll stop huffing-n-puffing, anytime soon.
You're pathetic.
Standard fair for the intellectually and emotionally challenged.
Like I said, you are pathetic.
When you stop crying and want to engage in civil debate on the political issues of our time, this conservative will be around.
Just PING me. Until then, rant on little man.
Your basic argument over abortion is intelliectually bankrupt.

All refer to me personally and some name calling trown in for good measure. Nice try, but your idea of debate is nothing more than personal attack when your points are shown to be without substance.

If you want to make outrageous and foolish threats that you can't back up, so be it.

What threats? Please enumerate them.

[Reagan Man]

Yawn. More circle jerk rhetoric. Man, will you ever stop crying and whining? Answer: I think not.

[Slip18]

"WHEREAS libertarian Republicans believe in limited government, individual freedom and personal responsibility"

What does this mean to you?

Thanks for posting this, Jim. I honestly hadn't seen it before.

[Protagoras]

Not crying and whining at all. Never did, laughing at you mostly.

Why not think of a few more personal attacks and insults? It changes the subject away from your contention that any group who doesn't take a postition on abortion is automatically pro-abortion. LOL, great stuff, keep it up.