Paul for President

The American Conservative magazine ^ | Feb 2, 2008 | The American Conservative Magazine

[Cruising Speed]

"There is far more realism in Paul’s analysis than can be found in those Republicans who believe that Washington’s policy of borrowing billions from China to pay for the occupation of a growing number of countries is desirable, much less sustainable."

[KoRn]

"Considering the competition, I might just vote for him as the only way to register my utter disgust for the Leftist drift in the GOP Establishment"

I've given that some thought, and may join you. Aside from some bad foreign policy views and seeming a little loony, Paul is the most conservative candidate in the race right now.

[FReepapalooza]

Good Grief!

Get a grip.

Having a well funded military and defense mechanism as a deterrent to attacks, works a lot better that just nuking other countries because “you” think they are pond scum.

[hedgetrimmer]

American Conservative was always isolationist.

I suppose you're in favor of globalism-- World Bank Using U.S. [taxpayer]Funds To Boost Iranian Industry, Gas Sectors

Not one of the 'favorites' would raise an eyebrow at this. How long must the American people tolerate the abuse of the globalists?

[Cruising Speed]

Gotta run, its been great. Lots of good folk on this thread. I’m sure we’ll muddle through no matter who is elected. We survived Bill and will survive Hillary if it comes to that. Thank God Gore was defeated, though—he scares me no end.

[hedgetrimmer]

bad foreign policy views

For example?

[dcwusmc]

Damn, Johnnie... One of the few times recently when I read one of your posts without my blood pressure rising. I hope this means you will come over to the light and abandon the dark side. Welcome. Yours is a sentiment I STRONGLY share.

[FReepapalooza]

“How long must the American people tolerate the abuse of the globalists?”

How much longer before they really “see” this is the whole game?

[KoRn]

" For example?"

I think he would go too far in removing our troops from ALL parts of the world. He seems to be a bit too isolationist for my liking with his foreign policy, but I positively love him on domestic policy.

[dcwusmc]

“What part of pulling our troops out all over the world is conservative?”

What part of KEEPING troops all over the world, at U.S. taxpayer expense, is conservative? What part of it is Constitutional or in keeping with the extremely conservative principle of small and LIMITED government?

[Names Ash Housewares]

“Good Grief!

Get a grip.

Having a well funded military and defense mechanism as a deterrent to attacks, works a lot better that just nuking other countries because “you” think they are pond scum.”

Take a closer look.
That is New York getting nuked.
And that is what will happen if we pull back from the world stage militarily as Ron Paul would have us do.

Our way of life, democracy itself, requires we be ever vigilant and foster freedom when we can.

We are obligated to do this. Because those before us did too. We owe it to those yet unborn.

[hedgetrimmer]

Keeping troops in foreign countries is a huge drain on our economy. Keeping troops in foreign countries because NATO, the EU or the UN says we must is NOT conservative, nor does it reflect well on our national sovereignty.

[Names Ash Housewares]

“What part of KEEPING troops all over the world, at U.S. taxpayer expense, is conservative? What part of it is Constitutional or in keeping with the extremely conservative principle of small and LIMITED government?”

Defending the United States is consevative and we dont live in the world that Ron Paul thinks we do.

We live in a DANGEROUS world, and those that would destroy
us must be kept in check. You cannot do that from home.

[hedgetrimmer]

And that is what will happen if we pull back from the world stage militarily as Ron Paul would have us do.

China has said they will nuke LA and they will do it when our troops are spread so thinly all over the world, and our country is completely broke from paying for foreign engagements that are expected to last '100 years' and hence are can not be won. We will utterly unable to defend ourselves then.

[Names Ash Housewares]

“China has said they will nuke LA and they will do it when our troops are spread so thinly all over the world, and our country is completely broke from paying for foreign engagements that are expected to last ‘100 years’ and hence are can not be won. We will utterly unable to defend ourselves then.”

Correction, A chinese general made a veiled threat against us if we stopped them from taking back Taiwan.

Troops globally deployed has nothing to do with China being able to nuke us sucessfully.

We have missile intercept capablitiies now deployed, though limited. Thank you Ronald Reagan.

And we still have a nuclear arsenal triad to wipe them out should they ever think they can sucessfully defeat us in a nuclear exchange.

They ain’t that stupid.

[FReepapalooza]

“We are obligated to do this. Because those before us did too. We owe it to those yet unborn.”

We are NOT obligated to do this.
Those before us DID NOT do this.
And, lastly what we owe to our children and their children is a free and sovereign country that is strong in military “defense”, strong in it’s economy, and strong in it’s freedom for it’s citizens.

These rino’s are serving up the Kool-Aid of globalism, with a boogey man in every closet, and plans to equalize the masses.

[FReepapalooza]

“We have missile intercept capablitiies now deployed, though limited. Thank you Ronald Reagan.

And we still have a nuclear arsenal triad to wipe them out should they ever think they can sucessfully defeat us in a nuclear exchange.

They ain’t that stupid.”

Please answer WHY then do we need troops all over the globe?

[Democrat_media]

That picture of New York being nuked is going to happen in our lifetime.

Muslims will sneak nukes into the United States sooner or later like Muslims used planes to bring down the 2 towers of the wold Trade Center in New york on 9/11/01.

John McCain will ensure our borders are porous enough for Muslims to sneak nukes in among the hundreds of millions of Mexican gang bangers, Mexican criminals and other 3rd world illegals crossing the border. Damn you McCain for destroying the U.S. the last hope of freedom and of capitalism in the world. That's his goal anyway.

Islam is a cult of war,genocide and world domination.

It doesn't matter what the U.S. does or where U.S. troops go. there is no way to stop individual Muslims from sneaking across a border with not fence and with a president like Mccain or Hillary.

[tpanther]

What proof do you have that China is out to get the U.S?

Actually Muslims and nuts like Amadinejad and Hugu Chavez have said that they are out to destroy the U.S. and or capitalism. How about Invading venezuela instead of worrying about China.

>>>>>Wow...what stunning leaps of logic! How come when someone advocates defending against invasion that can only mean their position is “invasion” and “occupation” of the threat?

And that’s hardly the point...Germany wasn’t out to dominate the US not until they dominated Europe, Russia and North Africa anyway.

A threat is a threat reagrdless of intentions, to be unprepared is inviting disaster.

Not only is no one advocating the “invasion” of China, but Venezuela’s people aren’t out to destroy the US either.

Iran’s different in that they’re sandwiched in between Iraq and Afghanistan and actually in many cases ARE harming US troops directly and indirectly.

But I still wouldn’t advocate liberating Iran...I’m holding out hope the people will overthrow those loons.

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Now if the U.S. keeps intervening in Taiwan, S. Korea,Philipenes then If I were China then I would get angry at the U.S. too. How would you feel if China had troops in Cuba, and Canad?

>>>>So essentially you’re saying to reverse the situation for MORE US security by allowing China on the doorsteps of the US Hawaiian islands, Guam etc by invasion and occupation of South Korea, the Phillipines, Taiwan and Japan?

How about, we’re allies with South Korea, the Phillipines Japan and Taiwan? What’s so wrong about them being free peoples anyway? You seriously think Communist China would allow Taiwan to stay independent if not for the US presence in the region?

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We can’t solve all problems.

>>>>>Never advocated solving ALL problems, only the ones we CAN solve reasonably. Another baffling idea....if we can’t somehow save the ENTIRE world, then NO ONE gets our help?

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the result is that all these U.S. troops do build anger and hate against the U.S.

>>>>Nope, actually all those aforementioned countries are so grateful for our help and their freedom that they don’t WANT us to leave and when we threaten to pull out of South Korea, Germany or Japan they go nuts! And why should we care what a few power hungry old communist Chinese think? I think the Chinese people themselves are also hungry for freedom!

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how would you feel if you had Chineese or Iranian troops in your state?

>>>>>The proper question for you to ask is if you were Chinese or Iranian how absolutely HOPELESS would you feel if the one best hope for freedom took his ball and went home?

Additionally, what’s more likely for your scnario...to keep a military presence further away from US soil and nearer to Iranian and Chinese troops or keep our military presence closer to home in hopes that the countries in between won’t capitulate sooner rather than later!?

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The result is that some Muslim or other angry youth is going to sneak nukes in American cities. that is the threat not China.

>>>>We can have a sound defensive AND a sound offensive strategy! China’s not building a huge military for defense. We’re not threatening China...we’re simply giving them notice that they’re not free to dominate Asia as Japan got away with throughout the 20’s and 30’s!

Muslim youth are actually less likely to bring nukes here if we stop them where they might actually OBTAIN the nukes as opposed to stopping them WITH nukes at our borders!

[Democrat_media]

That picture of New York being nuked is going to happen in our lifetime.

Muslims will sneak nukes into the United States sooner or later like Muslims used planes to bring down the 2 towers of the wold Trade Center in New York on 9/11/01.

John McCain will ensure our borders are porous enough for Muslims to sneak nukes in among the hundreds of millions of Mexican gang bangers, Mexican criminals and other 3rd world illegals crossing the border. Damn you McCain for destroying the U.S. the last hope of freedom and of capitalism in the world. That's his goal anyway.

Islam is a cult of war,genocide and world domination.

It doesn't matter what the U.S. does or where U.S. troops go. there is no way to stop individual Muslims from sneaking across a border with no fence and with a president like Mccain or Hillary.

[Redcloak]

Paul for President

Of what?