[francisr]

this whole thread reeks - since Vatican II the Church has been on a downward slide - with a great assist from those who needed a 'progressive Jesus'. a "Jesus who loves me just like I am" - sorry - all of parables of the Gospel say that it just is not so - there is a price, a sacrifice to be made for the "Pearl of great price" - the Church I grew up in is gone - but the hate goes on, the destruction goes on, the need of the laity for jazz mass, clown mass, dance mass - anything but actual prayer, sacrifice and adoration - goes on . And the results are on the front page of the press and on threads like this - IMHO

[NYer]

And the results are on the front page of the press and on threads like this - IMHO

Many people are woking diligently within the church to eliminate much of the "novelty" that has entered the church. You may find great worth in reading this document. It helped me to fend off liturgical dance in my parish. You can and should challenge your pastor, bishop and the USCCB any time you know that abuse is present.

IS YOUR MASS VALID?

the Church I grew up in is gone

No, it's still there. If you prefer to attend the Latin Mass, you should check with your diocesan office to learn where the Indult Latin Rite mass is said. Or, check here:

LATIN LITURGY ASSN.