[RnMomof7]

I think the South Africa argument is goofy. But I thought you guys considered Anglicans to be Calvinists based on the 35(?) Arti

No Angelicans USED to be Calvinists , They no longer use the 35 articles , like the wesleyans they abandoned Calvinism . Look at the fruit in the Anglican church . Gay bishops, marring homosexuals . woman pastors , approval of abortion..

There is no where to go but down when a people leave the doctrines of grace.

[Corin Stormhands]

Keep your seat Church Lady. I'm not trying to start an argument.

I understand that the Anglicans how helped found this country were Calvinistic (and a few were Free Masons, but we don't need to go there). The British first occupied South Africa in the late 1700s.

I'm not arguing that the Anglicans did or didn't abandon earlier beliefs. But I'm looking for the history of when that happened. Did it happen gradually in each of the different Anglican Churches (i.e. Church of England, American Episcopal, etc.)? Or did it happen in Anglicanism worldwide at the same time?

If you can answer without the snide commentary, fine. If not, please let someone else answer.

[moondancer]

I hope this isnt the wrong place to ask this but havent seen any other threads. since you mentioned wesleyans i wondered if i might ask you a question.
a friend of mine belongs to the weselyan church and continually calls herself "spirit filled" (not as in speaking in tongues) and refers to most others as "carnal christians". im wondering if anyone on this thread can give me biblical references to such a thing as "carnal christian" which she said is essentially a sinning christian, but didnt God say ALL are sinners??? it does not seem biblical to me to divide christians into seperate camps, but seems it would rather give some a feeling of being elite, above others. any help would be great:)

[snerkel]

No Angelicans USED to be Calvinists , They no longer use the 35 articles , like the wesleyans they abandoned Calvinism.

John Wesley was not a Calvinist.