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To: RochesterFan
See, you choose even to select who "you" refers to. How about John 3:16-17?
16) "For God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth on HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE"?
Who is the WHOSOEVER in YOUR opinion?

17) For GOD sent not His Son into the WORLD to condemn the WORLD, but that the WORLD through HIM might be saved?
Who, in your mind is the "WORLD"?

I anxiously await your reply!

34 posted on 09/07/2003 9:28:27 PM PDT by webber
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To: webber
Thank you for your reply. Gotta go to work soon so I'll have to be brief. I suggest you consult an interlinear (Greek/English) on John 3:16-17. The phrase is literally 'all the believing ones shall not perish.' It says nothing about who will and will not believe, simply that every believing one will be saved. Both Calvinists and Arminians agree that there will be no believers in hell and no unbelievers in heaven. You asked about my understanding of the word 'world' ('kosmos')in v. 17. A study of the semantic domain of the term 'kosmos' by John is fascinating. He certainly uses the full range of meanings throughout his writings. I believe that the term here is in the same sense as Rev 5:9, that there will be believers from every people, tribe, tongue, and nation. It clearly cannot mean 'all people, without exception' because we know from other Scriptures that some are lost. John, himself writes in 1 John 2:15-16
Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. (NAS95)

If you would like to hear a full exposition of this, check out the real audio file by James White here. Gotta run...

53 posted on 09/08/2003 4:32:52 AM PDT by RochesterFan
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