[webber]

"On one hand you say it is the work of others and then you say it is not by works..which is it??"

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by GRACE are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST!!

[CCWoody]

***Ephesians 2:8-9 ***

Tell you what; you actually address my points regarding your John 3:16 cite and I'll make sure I save some time to spank you with that thouroughly Predestinarian passage. You aren't even plainly reading the words if you think that Epesians 2 proves your case.

Woody.