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To: DoorGunner
Are you aware that this describes the "demiurge" (assistant god) from Plato, by way of Gnosticism? Is that your basic starting point--the foundation of your beliefs?

Can't speak for Invincible, but to me, Yeshua was an agent or representative of Yahweh. He was the Messiah come to preach repentence and get Israel back from it's lawless state.

Your 'demiurge', demi implies half... and your use of assistant god, would imply... half-god. Yeshua wasn't half-god, he was a flesh and blood man.

Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Paul tells you that Yeshua is/was a man.

Yahweh tells you He is ONE. Yeshua tells you that Yahweh is One, when he recites the Shema.

Mark 12
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Yeshua quoted the Shema from the Torah. Deuteronomy 6:4

Deuteronomy 6
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Why do you not believe them?

269 posted on 07/01/2003 11:42:00 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Luke 16:17 -- And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
"The Lord our God is one Lord:"

Absolutely! However, the same yeshua said: "I and the Father are ONE."

 

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 10:30 egw <1473> {I} kai

<2532> {AND} o <3588> {THE} pathr <3962> {FATHER} en <1520>

{ONE} esmen <2070> (5748) {ARE.}

 

1520 heis {hice}

(including the neuter [etc.] hen); TDNT - 2:434,214; numeral

AV - one 229, a 9, other 6, some 6, not tr 4, misc 17; 271

1) one

 Why do you not believe that?

DG

 

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273 posted on 07/02/2003 1:03:01 AM PDT by DoorGunner (DG=Fool, Liar, and sinner, [and apparently doesn't have a "life."] (Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Deuteronomy 6 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

The Rabbi understood

1Ti 3:16   And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Can't speak for Invincible, but to me, Yeshua was an agent or representative of Yahweh. He was the Messiah come to preach repentence and get Israel back from it's lawless state.

Oh I suspect you have put alot of words in his mouth

289 posted on 07/02/2003 6:59:59 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ET(end tyranny)
... Yeshua was an agent or representative of Yahweh. He was the Messiah come to preach repentence and get Israel back from it's lawless state.

Why do you consider that Israel was particularly lawless in the days when Yeshua came ?

538 posted on 07/03/2003 9:00:37 AM PDT by Quester
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