RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS

Bet Emet Ministries ^ | Unknown | Craig Lyons

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Except I have.

Lol. It's a mystery.

[A_Thinker]

I believe that you stated that you accept the teaching/writings of Paul.

If so, then what of Philippians 2 ...

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[A_Thinker]

Also, once again, ... how is Yeshua God's only begotten son ?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Also, once again, ... how is Yeshua God's only begotten son ?

You tell me for a change.

[CindyDawg]

HMM. Let's see. Who is a friendly ,safe poster here that won't try to beat me up, tonight? I know. I pick STEVEN!

It's called faith, buddy:') You either believe that God will not allow His word to be corrupted or you don't.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

It's called faith, buddy:') You either believe that God will not allow His word to be corrupted or you don't.

That's true. Now all we gotta do is decide what's His word and what isn't.

[A_Thinker]

Also, once again, ... how is Yeshua God's only begotten son ?

You tell me for a change.

That which is begotten has the nature of the begettor.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

If you want to believe on one hand that orthodox figures didn't get it right with Perpetual Virginity, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Papacy, apostolic succession, on and on and on and on and on. Yet, on the other hand, you want to believe God guided their hand flawlessly as they translated the translations of the translations go ahead.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

That which is begotten has the nature of the begettor.

Says you.

[A_Thinker]

And what do you make of Yeshua's prayer (verse 5) here ...

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

[Alex Murphy]

That which is begotten has the nature of the begettor.

Says you.

I was a heavy investor in the American Kennel Club. I'm wiped out - my stock is completely worthless now, and it's all your fault.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

When Jesus says that he "had" the glory for which he no prays, he is merely asking for the glory which he knew was prepared for him by God from the beginning. that glory existed in God's plan, and in that sense Yeshua already "had" it. Note that Yeshua did not say, "Give me back" or "restore" to me the glory which I had when I was alive with you before my birth." This notion would have been completly foreign to Judaism. It is quite unecessary
and wrong to read Gentile ideas into the texts of Scripture
when we can make good sense of them as they stand in their Jewish environment. The onus is on those who believe in literal preexistence to demonstrate that the texts cannot be explained within their own Jewish context. And it should be remembered that the Hebrew Boible, which has much to say in anticipation of the coming Son of God, makes no statement to imply that the Messiah was God destined to arrive froma personal pre-birth existence in heaven. The idea that God can be born as a man is alien to the Jewish environment in which Jesus taught. A revolution would have been required for the introduction of such a novel concept.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I was a heavy investor in the American Kennel Club. I'm wiped out - my stock is completely worthless now, and it's all your fault.

I'm sure this is supposed to be profound with a dash of humor. (no matter how feeble)

[Alex Murphy]

And it should be remembered that the Hebrew Boible, which has much to say in anticipation of the coming Son of God, makes no statement to imply that the Messiah was God destined to arrive froma personal pre-birth existence in heaven.

You've read it in the original yiddish?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

You've read it in the original yiddish?

No I thought a popeye pronunciation would spice things up.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

So, to summarize ... you believe that you can interpret the text of Philippians 2:5-11 such that it supports your position, ... but, to do so, you must twist the text such that it says something totally different than what the plain meaning of the text appears to be.

That you can do such is noteworthy ...

Calm down. I think the same of your interpretation.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'd like to recommend a very good book. "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture". After reading that those wispers might go quiet.