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To: RobbyS
How does tradition contradict Scripture?

  • I provided you scripture in the NAB Catholic Bible that refers to Peter and other apostles as having wives. Explain your problem, please, with these scriptures.

  • I provided you with a document by an early Church Father which speaks of Peter and his wife being together at her martyrdom. Explain your problem, please, with this early document.

Where's your tradition that none of the apostles were married? Point me to something in the catechism that supports your argument, point me to an early Church writing that supports your argument. You have pointed us to nothing.

Your problem is that you have no argument. What you are calling "tradition" is something that was told to you by a nun or priest when you were a child. This "tradition" of yours is in conflict with the scriptures and with the traditions of the early church.

It is a non sequitur to argue that (A) Because celibacy is a good thing for people who are called to it; then (B) the apostles must have all been celibate. That's all that what you call your "argument" boils down to, and I have proved that it is contradicted both by scriptures and by early Church documents.

Think for yourself, man. Be willing to give up your superstitions for the truth.


431 posted on 07/01/2003 4:36:50 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike
Are we talking past each other? Where did you get the idea that I denied that Peter or any of the other Apostles had a wife. Yes, I think that celibacy is good; Yes, some of the Apsotles may have been celibate. But the New Testament does not tell us much about this. Speculating I said where is the proof that some or many of them might not have been, like Jesus and John the Baptist, unmarried men? In an apocalyptic age, religious men are, after all, inclined not to become too attached to the normal things of life. The idea that Our Lord simply gathered up a representative example of ordinary Jews is as unlikely as the idea that he founded a company of monks. Is it not reasonable to think that they might not have already been "prepared." We do know that some were the disciples of the Baptist. We don't know what might have previously influenced the others. And we certainly don't know what Our Lord himself was doing during his "hidden years?" We do know, do we not, that he was not married? We do know, do we not that he was almost middle aged?

As to the Bible passages. Do they gave church officers a "right" to invoke against Church authority? No, they simply limit Church authority by showing that clerical celibacy is a traditional practice and not a dogma. It is a practice founded on the belief that virginity is better than marriage. One can. of course, say that it gives the official a claim that the Church must consider, but to say the Scripture simply overrides Church authority is first to accept that Scripture is the sole rule of faith.

438 posted on 07/01/2003 8:37:44 AM PDT by RobbyS
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