[Pyro7480]

Are you kidding me?? You may be one of only ones who truly advocates for the NO, but there are plently of people who don't belong to the groups who are, as you put it, "schismatics, integrists, ultra-traditionalists, and even the odd sedevcantist." I grew up with the NO. If it doesn't turn to the a frolicking of litrugical dancers, guys with guitars, and irreverance to Blessed Sacrament, I'm ok with it, for the most part. My preference, however, is for the Latin Mass.

[sinkspur]

My preference, however, is for the Latin Mass.

You're a traditionalist.

As far as I can tell, St. Chuck and I are the only ones who argue consistently for the vernacular Novus Ordo, celebrated according to the GIRM.

Ultima ratio and his crowd have been so successful that there are actually Catholics on this board who would attend a schismatic SSPX mass over a Novus Ordo mass.

Imagine that! Attend an illicit mass over a licit one!

Even worse, the Novus Ordo is demonized to the point that it is actually blamed (through linkage) for the sexual abuse crisis in the Church!

Take a look around the religion forum. There are fewer Catholics on it, and those that remain all seem to be singing from the same pre-Vatican II hymnbook.

When I leave for the sanity of the news/activism threads, you'll have no one to argue against and savage.