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To: jt8d; B-Chan
The whole affair--Lucifer's Rebellion in Heaven; Man's Banishment from Eden; The Flood; The Fall of Babylon; The Renniasance; The Reformation; King Henry VIII and The Anglican Church; Puritan colonization; The American War of Independence; The French Revolution; The Revolution of 1917; Vatican II--all of them are centered upon one concept: Rebellion against God's Reign.

So, the American colonialists war to break free from King George was a "rebellion against God"?

Vatican II was a "rebellion against God"?

Like Buchanan voters and Libertarians, there's a reason monarchists are considered fringe.

Because you're fringe.

433 posted on 05/20/2003 8:47:10 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
So, the American colonialists war to break free from King George was a "rebellion against God"?

Yes. Romans 13:1-7 makes that clear:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. [RSV]
There it is, straight from the Apostle's pen: Christians are forbidden from any rebellion against lawful authority, and specifically are forbidden to withhold their taxes. You'll notice that no distinction is made between "good" government and "bad": St. Paul says specifically that all authority on this Earth, even real bad guys like Rameses, Cyrus, Nero, Barbarossa, Saladin, Genghiz Khan, Cromwell, Stalin, Hitler, and even poor old George III of Hanover, was and is instituted by God for His own purposes. Some governments are given power by God diirectly; others are allowed by Him to seize power as a test for the faithful. In any case, Christians are required to be sober, peaceful, and law-abiding citizens. The only thing a government cannot require a Christian to do is to act in a manner contrary to the law of God; in such cases, the Christian is required to simply refuse, not to rebel, even if that refusal requires the believer to suffer the full penalty of law: the Christian must choose the Coliseum rather than render unto Caesar what belongs only to God.

Neither Christ nor his Apostles ever endorsed any kind of rebellion, revolution, or tea party against the corrupt, pagan Roman Empire; how, then, can we?

Vatican II was a "rebellion against God"?

No.

Like Buchanan voters and Libertarians, there's a reason monarchists are considered fringe.

What's wrong with being "fringe"? Right is right and wrong is wrong; if Right happens not to be popular at a given point in time, that fact doesn't make it any less Right. Christianity itself was once a fringe movement, after all.

Most people cannot bear the thought of submitting their own precious wills to any authority other than their own nerve endings. That sort of prideful ersatz "freedom" is at the root of the problems facing the Church (and humanity as a whole) today.Christ calls us to be His children and sheep, not to stand on our own or run with the wolves. Only by becoming subjects of our Heavenly King and those He has placed in power over us on Earth can we ever know real liberty.

460 posted on 05/20/2003 9:59:18 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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