LOL. Pot kettle black. LOL
The true Church of Christ is by definition one, it is truly unified. To say otherwise would make Christ to be a liar.
Duh.
Too bad the post-conciliar religion doesn't realize it. It longs for unity when the the true Church already has it.
This is your uncharitable misreading. Let's look again:
Yet almost all, though in different ways, long for the one visible Church of God, that truly universal Church whose mission is to convert the whole world to the gospel, so that the world may be saved, to the glory of God.[
This does not say that the Pope or the council bishops are "longing" for some Church that does not exist.
Try reading what it says. It says "almost all" (that is, people) long for the Church.
As for the Catholic, you miss the word "visible." I know you don't really care, but this Catholic "longs" for all who know God to unite and become a part of the "one visible Church." I know the identity of this Church. What is longed for is the unity Christ intended.
Remember, Vatican II affirmed that the Church of Christ "subsisted in" the Catholic Church. That is heresy: the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.
That's Feenyism. There are those saved who are "invincibly ignorant" of the need for the formal Church. They stay part of the mystical Church. Hence, the word "subsists."
Nevertheless, the divisions among Christians prevent the Church from realizing in practice the fullness of Catholicity proper to her, in those of her sons and daughters who, though attached to her by baptism, are yet separated from full communion with her. Furthermore, the Church herself finds it more difficult to express in actual life her full Catholicity in all its bearings.
Yeah, OK. What's Father Schism have to say?
Here, in #4 of the same decree on ecumenism, Vatican II denies that the Church of Christ is fully Catholic! This is so heretical that if you believe this you cannot even say the Apostles’ Creed: "I believe in… the holy Catholic Church." You would have to say, "I believe in the not fully Catholic Church." But why would Vatican II assert such a ridiculous heresy? The reason for this ridiculous statement in Vatican II is that Vatican II rejects that the Roman Catholic Church is the universal Church of Christ.
Sure. Keep on believing that. You guys are amusing, in a sad way.
The Church makes use of the talents of her members. Without the unity desired by Jesus, we will lack the gifts of some Christians. The Church can have the fullness of Truth and still not be universal, if there are other options given, other ecclesial communions.
This is nothing at all about admitting the Church isn't fully Catholic.
SD
"We should recognize our common fatherhood as God's children, even if we have theological differences."
"The Church can have the fullness of Truth and still not be universal, if there are other options given, other ecclesial communions."
The Catholic Church is no longer universal, and the unbaptized share a "common fatherhood as God's children". Just thought you should know.
I missed nothing. What John Paul II did was say something and then put into practice. How do you explain koran-kissing and the interreligious Spirit of Assisi prayer sessions? It is quite obvious from his words, the words of Vatican II, and his actions that the unity they are pursuing is a sort of mega-religion, not founded on Divine Truth, but on what people decide will be truth.
Come on, even the Masons are down with the post-conciliar program.
Remember, Vatican II affirmed that the Church of Christ "subsisted in" the Catholic Church. That is heresy: the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.That's Feenyism. There are those saved who are "invincibly ignorant" of the need for the formal Church. They stay part of the mystical Church. Hence, the word "subsists."
Sorry, I'm not buying it. Fr. Feeney goes as far as saying the water baptism is necessary for salvation. That's where I draw the line.
But first, let's show Dave how this "invincibly ignorant" concept is a problem. Here are three infallible declarations which back up the truth that the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church:
The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, also Jews, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire 'which was prepared for the devil and his angels' (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her. . . No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. (Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino, 1441)There is one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved. (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215).
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VII, Unam Sanctam, 1302).
Now, please tell me how invicible ignorance can be exception to the rule when the idea that "Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ" has already been condemned by the Pope Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors (see Proposition #17)
As far as I see it, too many people give the "invincible ignorance" clause a little too much elasticity. When one starts going down the slippery slope, one inevitably arrives at a heresy called universal salvation.