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To: SoothingDave
There is a huge difference in the way the concept of sacrifice is used. In classic theology there is a destruction--an immolation of a victim--in other words, a repeat of the original sacrifice, over and over, for as many times as there are Masses. In the new theology, there is no destruction and the death of Christ is merely memorialized. In the first case, the sacrifice is PRESENT and offered to the Father; in the second case, the sacrifice is a historical reference that is being commemorated.

One of the tricks of modernism has been to take a term--"Eucharist", "sacrament", "sacrifice"--and to alter its meaning in subtle ways that render the term novel and untraditional.

Not only does the N.O., for instance, use the term "sacrifice" differently from Catholic usage in the past, but it has dismantled the ancient tripartite sacrificial structure of the Mass as well--oblation (Offertory); immolation (Consecration) and consummation (Communion) in favor of the commemorative meal structure. This is why the Jewish prayer before meals was substituted for the Offertory and why the assembly itself is the prime focus of the priest and not the sacrifice to God the Father.
245 posted on 05/19/2003 8:10:19 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
There is a huge difference in the way the concept of sacrifice is used. In classic theology there is a destruction--an immolation of a victim--in other words, a repeat of the original sacrifice, over and over, for as many times as there are Masses.

Are you sure you mean "repeat"? Cause I definitely disagree with you if you think Christ is sacrificed over and over.

In the new theology, there is no destruction and the death of Christ is merely memorialized. In the first case, the sacrifice is PRESENT and offered to the Father; in the second case, the sacrifice is a historical reference that is being commemorated.

I'm sure you've read many schismatic books that tell you this, but it isn't true. The NO Mass features the re-presentation of the Sacrifice of Christ to the Father.

Not only does the N.O., for instance, use the term "sacrifice" differently from Catholic usage in the past, but it has dismantled the ancient tripartite sacrificial structure of the Mass as well--oblation (Offertory); immolation (Consecration) and consummation (Communion) in favor of the commemorative meal structure. This is why the Jewish prayer before meals was substituted for the Offertory and why the assembly itself is the prime focus of the priest and not the sacrifice to God the Father.

Again, you say all this without any evidence, and against the words and gestures of the Mass itself. This is why it is difficult to take those such as you seriously.

SD

265 posted on 05/20/2003 5:50:35 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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