Where Have All the FR Protestants Gone? [A Month Later]

drstevej

[drstevej]

Thread from last month...

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Where Have All the FR Protestants Gone?
drstevej

Posted on 04/08/2003 12:29 PM CDT by drstevej

OBSERVATIONS:

[1] There seems to be a significantly reduced number of Protestant Threads (KJV Only being the exception for sure) in the FR Religion Forum.

[2] There seems to be a reduced number of FR Protestant posts in the Religion Forum.

This thread is a place to discuss these observations.

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Now the transformation to a Catholic Religion Forum is almost complete. Must be a Marian miracle or an answer to Jim Robinson's prayer, "Can't we all just get along?" Now all the dissent is within the RC fold ... NO Mass vs. Tridentine Mass. Boredom has descended, the moderators are free to nap without fear of an **** awakening them.

Could someone arrange for a funeral mass? (a clown mass in this case might be in order).

 

-- Pope Piel  I (thinking of abdicating prior to even assuming the Chair of Peter)

[Tantumergo]

"When I read the letter to the Hebrews, I became a Protestant"

If you guys keep reading it you might eventually get it - but remember: Three score and ten will possibly be as long as He will give you! ;)

[Tantumergo]

"I don't think bishops would stigmatize priests who want to celebrate the Tridentine Mass. I really don't."

I only pray that were true, but as I have spent plenty of time working in the curia I can assure you it is not!!!

[ultima ratio]

If you really study the Catholic theology behind the mystery of the Eucharist, you will find that the what the Mass does is not sacrifice a second or third or fourth or millionth time--it REPEATS or REENACTS the original sacrifice on Calvery. It is not a different sacrifice--it is the very same one, repeated over and over. This has been the constant teaching of the Church for two thousand years.

[Tantumergo]

"For THE VICTIM IS ONE AND THE SAME, the same NOW offering by the ministry of priests who then offered Himself on the cross, the MANNER ALONE OF OFFERING BEING DIFFERENT. The fruits of that bloody sacrifice, it is well understood, are received most abundantly through this unbloody one, so far is the latter from derogating in any way from the former."

Ultima, this is where you totally lose any credibility for your case, or any suspicion that you may be vaguely in touch with reality.

Every orthodox N.O. Catholic will totally agree with the teaching of the Council of Trent on the Sacrifice of the Mass and the real Presence. They also see these doctrines upheld by the N.O. liturgy when it is celebrated in accordance with the rubrics.

Personally I agree that the 1962 Missal emphasises these aspects of the Mass better, but to claim that they are non-existent in the new rite is sheer bloody-mindedness and is the kind of bigotry that turns people off traditionalists completely.

[B-Chan]

I'm glad you like it.

I see it as a badge of honor. You gotta be tough to be a monarchist on FR!

[drstevej]

Seated. Another great term.

[Land of the Irish]

Every orthodox N.O. Catholic will totally agree with the teaching of the Council of Trent on the Sacrifice of the Mass and the real Presence.

I disagree. Why are most Novus Ordo Masses advertised as Eucharistic Celebrations at 9:00 and 10:30 Sunday mornings or whatever schedule, rather than The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

[drstevej]

***It is not a different sacrifice--it is the very same one, repeated over and over. ***

And someday it will be finished, right?

[Aloysius]

advertised as Eucharistic Celebrations at 9:00 and 10:30 Sunday mornings

You forgot the anticipated Mass at 5:30 PM Saturday. So much for keeping holy the Sabbath.

[ultima ratio]

You cite a quotation of Trent but not my words. That's pretty telling. Tell me, how is anything I have said inaccurate?

Did Martin Luther begin his liturgical revolution by throwing out the Offertory? --So does Novus Ordo.

Did Martin Luther eliminate any notion of propitiation for sins on the part of the assembly? So does Novus Ordo.

Did Martin Luther ban any mention of saintly intercessions? So does Novus Ordo.

Did Martin Luther turn the altar into a table? So does Novus Ordo.

Did Martin Luther insist the presider face the assembly instead of east? So does Novus Ordo.

Did Martin Luther proscribe any outward show of veneration for the Sacred Host? So does Novus Ordo.

Did Martin Luther celebrate a commemorative meal rather than a sacrifice? So does Novus Ordo.

Did Martin Luther place the Liturgy of the Word on the same theological plane as the Eucharist? So does Novus Ordo.

[sinkspur]

Why are most Novus Ordo Masses advertised as Eucharistic Celebrations at 9:00 and 10:30 Sunday mornings or whatever schedule, rather than The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

Different terminology. Where you see some sinister conspiracy, most Catholics just see the Mass by a different name.

[St.Chuck]

I won't read through the whole thread, so I am probably repeating another's observation, that the Protestant's have gone nowhere; they are masquerading as Catholics.

[Loyalist]

Because the Body of Christ has been subtly redefined from its sacramental sense to a communitarian sense.

Where is the Body of Christ according to these people? Not in the Blessed Sacrament, not in the tabernacle, but in themselves.

[ultima ratio]

No--it goes on in Heaven. See Book of Revelations where the angels and saints cry out Holy, Holy, Holy, in worship of the Lamb of God.

[Tantumergo]

"Why are most Novus Ordo Masses advertised as Eucharistic Celebrations at 9:00 and 10:30 Sunday mornings or whatever schedule, rather than The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?"

The operative word was ORTHODOX N.O. Catholic. Most Catholics these days are certainly not orthodox in belief, including most of the clergy who write bulletin boards.

But from what I see on these threads, the great majority who support the N.O. are clearly orthodox in their eucharistic theology.

[Loyalist]

You forgot the anticipated Mass at 5:30 PM Saturday. So much for keeping holy the Sabbath.

The anticipated Saturday Mass cannot fulfil the Sunday obligation, because to claim so is a direct contradiction of the Third Commandment. Not even the Pope can dispense with any of the Ten Commandments.

[drstevej]

***the Protestant's have gone nowhere; they are masquerading as Catholics. ***

Won't you be surprised when I become Pope.

[drstevej]

***No--it goes on in Heaven***

Oh, so He's not on the altar in umpteen places where the host is consecrated?

[Aloysius]

Not even the Pope can dispense with any of the Ten Commandments.

So would that make the 5:30 PM Saturday anticipated Mass illicit?

[Loyalist]

So would that make the 5:30 PM Saturday anticipated Mass illicit?

It is illicit if it purports to fulfil the Sunday obligation. One may as well claim to fulfil the Sunday obligation on Wednesday.