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Gordon B. Hinkley (LDS Prophet) comments on War
www.lds.org ^ | April 7, 2003 | Gordon B. Hinkley

Posted on 04/09/2003 8:50:12 PM PDT by sociotard

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To: maui_hawaii
I personally know several people who have done this for the US Airforce Academy, and know of several others who have done it with West Point.

Well, then I've no other choice than to say "it":
Never would 'ave happened in The Old Corps!

41 posted on 04/10/2003 6:24:17 PM PDT by LTCJ (Greetings to members of the Last Class.)
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To: maui_hawaii
Jesus doesn't come to my door during dinner. He also doesn't ask me to wear silly underwear.
42 posted on 04/10/2003 6:31:20 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: LTCJ
About when did you graduate?

Here is an article from 1991 about the (very basic) history of Mormons at West Point.

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Light at West Point

By James C. Brau

James C. Brau, “News of the Church,” Ensign, June 1991, 77

If you were to visit the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, during the winter, you would notice that everything is gray. Known by cadets as the “Gloom Period” or the “Gray Period,” the long winters at West Point can become depressing. The granite walls of the buildings, the overcast sky, the dirty, late-season snow, and the murky waters of the Hudson River are nearly monochromatic. Cadets wear a uniform that is almost entirely gray to attend classes. For official formations, they wear the more formal Dress Gray.

But if you took a closer look amid all this gray, you would discover a flood of light. Its source is the Lord Jesus Christ—and that light is reflected in abundance from the Latter-day Saints of the West Point Branch. For more than a century, this light has provided strength to cadets struggling with the challenges and rigors of a not-so-usual everyday life.

The first Latter-day Saint to graduate from West Point was Willard Young, a son of Brigham Young. Willard arrived at the academy in the summer of 1871 and, along with Henry O. Flipper, the first black to attend West Point, he soon became a center of attention. New York City newspapers published articles with captions like “Come to West Point and See Them—The First Negro and the First Mormon.” Most of the articles were favorable, and journalists were impressed with Willard’s integrity. He graduated in 1875 and served in the U.S. Army, eventually reaching the rank of colonel. He also made great contributions to the territory and state of Utah as a civil engineer. Church members at West Point continue to succeed and to strive to build God’s kingdom on earth. The academy’s strict discipline and intense demands are designed to strengthen and develop cadets physically, academically, and militarily. The Church provides opportunities for cadets to grow spiritually, making their personal development complete. During tough times, the support and comfort gained from fellow Latter-day Saints becomes a sustaining force for many cadets.

During his first week at the academy, Curt Keller of North Bend, Washington, felt overwhelmed. “That week was the hardest of my life. I didn’t know anybody—not even my roommates yet—and I missed my family so much. I looked forward to that first sacrament meeting all week, praying constantly for strength. Even though the meeting lasted only fifteen minutes, I knew those around me had the same love for Jesus Christ that I did. I received a blessing from the branch president after the meeting, and I felt inner peace immediately. I knew I was supposed to be at West Point.”

The branch, organized in 1968, includes not only cadets, but also officers, enlisted soldiers and their families, and local residents. The average length of an officer’s tour at West Point is three to four years. The standard cadet curriculum is a four-year education resulting in a bachelor’s degree.

The high “exchange rate” of members in and out of the community provides abundant opportunities for service. Virtually everyone in the branch holds a calling. Every priesthood holder is a home teacher, and every female cadet is a visiting teacher. These programs are key elements in bonding West Point cadets together. The monthly visits help bring peace to a cadet’s barracks room and fill it with the warmth of the Spirit.

Each Sunday, the West Point Branch meets in one of the academy’s academic buildings, Thayer Hall. Five days out of the week Thayer Hall is the setting for professors and tests that push the cadets to their limits, but on the Sabbath, it becomes a house of worship.

“On the weekdays we go to Thayer to study worldly subjects,” says Jan Clark, a senior from Rigby, Idaho. “On the Sabbath, we go to feel the Spirit and to learn about the gospel of Jesus Christ. The difference is in the way you prepare. On Sundays your state of mind is entirely different.”

Despite hectic schedules and the demands placed upon them, the cadets also make time to gather for an hour each week in institute class. Craig Manscill drives forty minutes each Tuesday night to teach the group.

“For me, Tuesday night kindles the spiritual fire that sparks me through the rest of the week,” explains Anthony Garcia, a senior from Burlington, Washington. “When I was a plebe (first-year cadet), institute prepared me for my mission better than anything else. Because of it, I was used to loving and serving others even before I entered the Missionary Training Center.”

One of the toughest decisions for some cadets is whether or not to serve a mission. If they decide to go, they must resign the appointments they have worked so hard to gain, with no guarantee that they will be readmitted to the academy. After a mission, a young man or woman must again obtain a nomination from his or her state congressman or senator and an offer of admittance from West Point.

Vincent Barnhart, a senior from Edenville, Pennsylvania, served a mission in England between his sophomore and junior years. “I cried when I signed my letter of resignation,” he remembers. “That was probably the hardest thing I’ve ever done. I love this place, and I wasn’t sure I’d get back in.”

Members of the West Point Branch also grow closer as they participate in activities together. Twice a year, institute officers plan a trip to the Washington Temple. Despite strict regulations limiting the number of times a cadet may leave West Point for a weekend (plebes can only be away for two weekends), cadets manage to attend as many stake dances and activities as possible. Twice a year, they are also permitted to travel to stake conference as an academy-recognized club.

Since many Church history sites are located nearby, branch members often take time to visit these places to learn more about their heritage. Last year the institute sponsored a Church history weekend; members visited the Sacred Grove, the Hill Cumorah, the Fayette chapel, the Martin Harris farm, the Joseph Smith home, the Grandin Press, and the Peter Whitmer home.

“The inner peace I felt in the Sacred Grove was such a contrast with the fast-paced life of West Point,” recalls Troy Baker, a sophomore from Houston, Texas. “I was a plebe at the time and was under extreme pressure from the upper classes at the academy. As I sat there thinking and praying on that special day, an incredible feeling of peace came over me. I knew I was a son of God. That visit gave me the strength I needed to finish the year.”

Another branch activity is helping to turn cadets’ hearts toward their predecessors at the academy. John Lemperle, who served as West Point Branch president from 1979 to 1985, has worked at the academy for the past twenty-three years. He has done the necessary research to do temple ordinances for every cadet who graduated between 1802 and 1880. He has submitted these records to the Church’s Family History Department for approval, and the names have now been cleared and sent to the Washington Temple. Present-day cadets will perform the temple ordinances on the institute’s next temple trip.

Whether performing temple work for cadets of a hundred years ago or befriending those they see every day, West Point Saints continue to serve as messengers of truth. And as long as the United States Military Academy’s Gray Line continues to grow, the gospel’s light will shine on the granite walls of West Point.

43 posted on 04/10/2003 6:34:02 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: StolarStorm
Jesus doesn't come to anyone's door (now) (as far as I know). But he certainly did go around "uninvited", as were all his apostles also "uninvited".

Who asked you to change your underwear? Certainly not a Mormon. What did he/she do? Knock the door and ask you to change your underwear? I don't think so.

Most likely they knocked your door and invited all to read the scriptures so that they can become better people. Underwear is the least of it.

44 posted on 04/10/2003 6:37:59 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: StolarStorm
Any religion that sends people to my door uninvited is a cult.

That would explain the Baptists at my door the other night.

45 posted on 04/10/2003 6:39:42 PM PDT by uglybiker (Just got new boots. Lookin' for a peacenik's face to try 'em out on.)
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To: maui_hawaii
They are a bunch of hypocrites. They want to teach me about their scriptures but they have no interest in mine. They follow the teachings of a con artist and all I wish to do is teach them about the real scriptures and how to be better people. They just don't seem to want to hear it. Guess they seem to think that "their" scriptures are superior. WHAT ARROGANCE!
46 posted on 04/10/2003 7:02:24 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Migraine
An Associated Press article (27 December 1999,Salt Lake Tribune) reported that Utah ranks last among all states in the proportion of young men and women signing up for military services (according to military figures). The military recruiters attribute this partially to the state's healthy economy and high proportion of young people attending college, but primarily to the choice of Utahns to serve as missionaries for the Church. The age group that the military prefers to recruit from is "also the prime age group for Mormon men to go away on church missions. And in a state that is predominately Mormon, most young men turn to the church and away from recruiters." On the other hand, Utah ranks fourth highest among all states in the proportion of "high-quality" enlistees. Only Wisconsin, Minnesota and North Dakota recruits outscored Utah. link

Here are some hard stats of religious affiliation in the Air Force. Officers, Enlisted

I've spent about 90 minutes trying to track down religious denomination statistics for the military. There just isn't much to be found. Lots of search engine hits, but not much substance.

47 posted on 04/10/2003 7:05:23 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: StolarStorm
They are a bunch of hypocrites. They want to teach me about their scriptures but they have no interest in mine. They follow the teachings of a con artist and all I wish to do is teach them about the real scriptures and how to be better people. They just don't seem to want to hear it. Guess they seem to think that "their" scriptures are superior. WHAT ARROGANCE!

So, the King James Version of the Holy Bible isn't good enough for you? You're not interested at all in another testament of Jesus Christ and his ministry on earth? Hmmm...

48 posted on 04/10/2003 7:22:14 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff
King James? That badly translated text???? Yuck. I'm talking about Golden Disks 2.0, I received my disks personally. If I manage to get half of what J. Smith got for his 1.0 version (multiple wives, absolute power of followers, almost a whole state), Ka-Ching!
49 posted on 04/10/2003 7:28:43 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Spiff
For Washington Times article on the disconnect between Christian ministers and the laity over this war, see this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/890476/posts?page=3
51 posted on 04/10/2003 8:08:35 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: Spiff
No, mormons that come to someone's door to "teach" are the bigots. They/you assume that OUR beliefs aren't as good or complete as yours. That is BIGOTRY.
52 posted on 04/10/2003 8:13:18 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm
No, mormons that come to someone's door to "teach" are the bigots. They/you assume that OUR beliefs aren't as good or complete as yours. That is BIGOTRY.

We come to share the true restored Gospel. If something was not fallen or broken, it would not need to be restored. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. If you don't want to hear the message simply say so and the two young missionaries (who are paying their own way for two years of service) will go find another door to knock on.

53 posted on 04/10/2003 8:20:25 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff
I know you are brainwashed and thus have a hard time understanding my point. Let me state it again, attempting to "teach" religion (unsolicited) is a form of arrogance and bigotry because it assumes that your knowledge is superior... and frankly with regard to religion only nut bags really think they have a lock on the truth.

Imagine if you will, that every single "church" took to the streets door to door to "teach"... we poor slobs would be CONSTANTLY opening doors for these people. There would be NO END to the constant harrassment from missionaries from every belief system in the world. Think how your life would be in that case. Thankfully, most churchs are more respectful of others and don't engage in this sort of multi level marketing.

54 posted on 04/10/2003 8:29:02 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Migraine
I suspect it is much HIGHER than the average.

FWIW, in our stake and ward conferences, which are held each year in our basic units or congregations, they always announce the statistics of how many of our stake or ward members are currently serving in the military.

It is considered a very honorable thing.
55 posted on 04/10/2003 8:35:05 PM PDT by Illbay
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56 posted on 04/10/2003 8:39:36 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Illbay, you are such a hypocrite. Most of your posts on this forum attack people. You've gone after many people's sacred cows.
57 posted on 04/10/2003 8:41:26 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm
Attacking a sacred cow is not a crime.

Attacking someone's sacred BELIEFS is something else altogether.

I do not attack someone's religious faith; however, I have had some strong words to say for people such as you, who seem to relish doing so.

FWIW, taking someone on FR to task because they have strong opinions is like criticizing a skunk for its odor.
58 posted on 04/10/2003 8:45:33 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: RussellStevens
Wow, you just brought back memories! I had forgotten that the Star Spangled Banner was played every morning and evening on campus, and we ALL stopped with our hands over our hearts. And waited for the anthem to be played.
59 posted on 04/10/2003 8:47:25 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: StolarStorm
Round here that can get you a trip to the time-out chair.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/888189/posts?page=34#34

Been there twice myself.
60 posted on 04/10/2003 8:48:16 PM PDT by drstevej
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