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To: RnMomof7; fortheDeclaration; xzins
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

God gave men the free will to be as evil as they like..men will never choose to do good on his own..

I don't know why you think I have a problem with that. You are not being consistent.

Your statement "God gave men the free will to be as evil as they like" flies in the face of what you have preached as your concept of the "Sovereignty of God."

Agreed, that God gave men over, but the way you folks preach Calvinism, He also decided what sins depraved man would commit.

This has nothing to do with my understanding of how depraved man is.

It has to do with your concept of God making man depraved.

280 posted on 03/16/2003 11:22:39 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Liberate Iraq. Fumigate France.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Your statement "God gave men the free will to be as evil as they like" flies in the face of what you have preached as your concept of the "Sovereignty of God."

Not at all corin...All men do exactly as they will to do..Every man will act in accordance to his nature and his preferences.

The fallen nature was not "given" by God..It was a result of the fall a consequence of it

God indeed knows our preferences because he placed them in us before the foundation of the world..He knows what we will choose....as Romans tells us we are sinful beings that will never choose to do good..never. Unregenerate man will always chose to sin..that will always be his choice.

Corin do you think God does not know what sins you will choose to committ?

I think we have to keep going back to Judas..God made Judas in such a way that Judas would be a conflicted man..I believe sincere in his admiration of Christ..but much of that love being founded in Judas own pride and desire for power and money..when it came the moment for God to remove the restraing hand on Judas so the true nature of the man would choose Judas chose exactly as God had expected and predestined by that creation..

Yet Judas at that moment had the same free will all men have..but he acted in a way consistant with his nature

Acts 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge

281 posted on 03/16/2003 11:50:46 AM PST by RnMomof7 (God will supply the Lamb!)
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