[ksen]

(For what it's worth, I have never heard a Cahtolic say the Bible depends on the "suffrage" of the Church, or that it depended on the will of man. Instead, as I have said, it is the Holy Spirit working through man.)

Well, I have heard Catholics say that there would be no Bible if it wasn't for the Catholic Church.

[SoothingDave]

Well, I have heard Catholics say that there would be no Bible if it wasn't for the Catholic Church.

And what did you take it to mean? To me, the statement is that the Church is God's Instrument in the world. Not that the Church is making decisions in opposition to God.

I know the types of debate that bring about statements like that. It is usually thrown out to demonstrate that the Church precedes the New Testament. That the Bible came from the Church, not the other way around.

SD