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The Institutes Book 1, Chapter 7
The Institutes of the Christian Religion ^ | 1500's | John Calvin

Posted on 02/06/2003 8:52:14 AM PST by ksen

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To: RnMomof7
"This is also why emphasizing simply relying on a specific Bible translation is vain."

Icky! I should have proof read a little better!

"This is also why emphasizing and relying on a specific Bible translation is useless"

There, that conveys my thought a bit better.

"Agreed My 1st Bible was a "Good News for Modern Man " a terrible translation and it made my heart leap for joy...."

Yes, we had that translation read at the end of dinner when I was a kid. It made it far easier to understand and grasp the basics as opposed to the difficulty I would have had at 5 if I continually heard from the KJV or the ASV.

As I mentioned before, I do some work with "disadvantaged youth" -many who can hardly read. These kids have a difficult time with the NIV -imagine how hard it is for them to read from the KJV that some of the church groups bring in for them. You wouldn't believe how exceited these kids are when I bring in a NIrV (New International Readers Version) which is written for children aged 6-10 and for older kids who have difficulty reading. These kids aren't ready to enter into a superlapsarian or infralapsarian discussion and they don't need they meaty better translations. Give them the milk that they can handle at present -then bring on the meat.

After all, it's not simply the words themselves which bring people to the truth. It's the work of the Holy Spirit through those words.

I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit can work through a weaker translation such as the NIrV.

Jean

41 posted on 02/06/2003 4:20:02 PM PST by Jean Chauvin (But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. -Matt 13:16)
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To: ksen
"This is what we get when we depend on lawyers-turned-theologians. ;^)"

I'm assuming this is meant to have meaning towards Calvin as well.

You need to remember that Calvin never practiced law. His father determined for him to study for the priesthood initially. When he had some personall issues with his local church and when he saw that there was much demand for lawyers (i.e. better pay), he then changed little Johnny's course study to law.

However, Calvin always held to his love of languages and the classics. His interest was not in law studies.

Jean

42 posted on 02/06/2003 4:23:45 PM PST by Jean Chauvin
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Augustine did a treatus on the role of reason, that Aquinas modified, that teaches that once reason determines that a specific revelation is from God, that reason must submit to that revelation (i.e., scripture).

I suppose that Calvin would say that reason CANNOT submit to the Revelation unless it is sealed by the Spirit.

From the article:

But I answer,that the testimony of the Spirit is superior to reason. For as God alone can properly bear witness to his own words, so these words will not obtain full credit in the hearts of men, until they are sealed by the inward testimony of the Spirit.

So unless one is sealed by the Spirit, then Reason will not avail them.

Gerstner, in his book on Jonathan Edwards, lists Edwards' teaching on the role of reason, and it is probably clearer, but we would be drifting far off the topic of the thread, and as a result i hesitate on that.

I don't think it would be that far-off topic since Calvin here is addressing Reason and Revelation. So be my guest and post it if you want.

43 posted on 02/06/2003 4:28:01 PM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: Jean Chauvin
I'm assuming this is meant to have meaning towards Calvin as well.

Oh, you caught that? ;^)

44 posted on 02/06/2003 4:36:16 PM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: ksen
I caught it too..and chose to ignore it:>)
45 posted on 02/06/2003 4:38:24 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: ksen
"Oh, you caught that? ;^)"

Yes, "thinly" veiled as it was, LOL!

Jean

46 posted on 02/06/2003 5:04:16 PM PST by Jean Chauvin
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To: Jean Chauvin; RnMomof7; Calvinist_Dark_Lord
*yawn* I'm outta here for tonight. See you all tomorrow.
47 posted on 02/06/2003 5:13:51 PM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: ksen; CCWoody
C,mon Rev, no fair wimping out on us!!! just when it was gettin good too...Methinks Woody was right.
48 posted on 02/06/2003 5:20:43 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (He must increase, but I must decrease.)
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To: ksen
This is what we get when we depend on lawyers-turned-theologians. ;^) ~ ksen Woody.
49 posted on 02/07/2003 7:51:28 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: ksen
Kevin thanks for these threads..they have prompted me to pick up a beginners book on Theology to learn terms and concepts..between you and dark Calvinist and jean..I feel very dumb!
50 posted on 02/07/2003 8:02:08 AM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Methinks Woody was right.

About what?

51 posted on 02/07/2003 8:06:58 AM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: RnMomof7
..I feel very dumb!

Ahh, don't feel dumb. Every time I think I may know something, someone pops in here and shows me that I have no idea what I'm talking about. ;^)

52 posted on 02/07/2003 8:14:10 AM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: ksen
When Calvin was a young man, his father sent him to school to be trained as a Lawyer ! :>)
53 posted on 02/07/2003 8:43:01 AM PST by Biblical Calvinist (Sola Deo Gloria !)
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To: RnMomof7
John Gerstner has written a fine little book, titled "THEOLOGY FOR EVERYMAN". According to Amazon, it's still in print..a good book for those beginning to study theology.. only $5.20 from Amazon.
54 posted on 02/07/2003 8:51:29 AM PST by Biblical Calvinist (Sola Deo Gloria !)
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To: Biblical Calvinist
I will look into it..I read Bottner thanks to your suggestion...I have a Book by Sproul I am currently reading (thanks to this thread) that explains alot of basic terms.."Essential Truths of the Christian Faith"..as you know Sproul uses Theology terms alot and then explains them for dummies..
55 posted on 02/07/2003 8:56:34 AM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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56 posted on 02/07/2003 9:26:05 AM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: RnMomof7
Kevin thanks for these threads..they have prompted me to pick up a beginners book on Theology to learn terms and concepts..between you and dark Calvinist and jean..I feel very dumb!

Mom, everybody has to learn it sometime and somewhere, Let us pray that less people learn it in the lake of fire!

Remind me to tell you about the "beating" that i took at the hands of Dr. Arthur Lindsley once, when i had the audacity to try and challenge him on something he had contributed to Classical Apologetics, The John Gerstner school of apologetics (who taught both Sproul and Lindsley), had simple rules 1)Take no prisoners; 2)God shows mercy, you are not Him! 3) Give no place to "fuzzy headed" thinking. 4)If you can't torture your students, go do something else for a living.

Fortunately for you, Gerstner has been dead for a couple of years.

57 posted on 02/07/2003 9:45:12 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (He must increase, but I must decrease.)
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To: ksen
Just what we want to do, get the Christian Reformed Church riled up...Those Duthcmen have no sense of humour...unless they are torturing heretics.
58 posted on 02/07/2003 9:49:05 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (He must increase, but I must decrease.)
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To: ksen; Wrigley; Jean Chauvin
Ohh no...Jean and Wrigley being alumni.and you did not add a link:>)
59 posted on 02/07/2003 9:53:00 AM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: ksen
someone pops in here and shows me that I have no idea what I'm talking about. ;^)

AMEN! Hi Kevin :)

BigMack

60 posted on 02/07/2003 9:58:39 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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