A very violent 'passion' ["Miracles" on set of Mel Gibson's movie?]

New York Daily News ^ | January 26, 2003 | HOLLY McCLURE

[Cleburne]

Well yes- it is of course One Bread, our Lord. But we partake of Him through faith, and by His Spirit. His physical body is in heaven with the Father- and thus our participation in communion is done through the Spirit (which surely you must agree on: it is definately not a natural phenoma!). And we must first believe: through faith is our primary participation in His body, and His sacrifice- and of course through grace.

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh." John 6:47-51

Thus, we eat of Him through faith and belief. We continue to participate in His body- which was offered up to give life upon the cross- through communion. But communion will do you no good if you have not first believed, and are in the faith. Indeed, if you are not in the faith- if you have not partaken of His body and blood- communion will harm you, as Paul warns to those who do not discern the body of the Lord.

Say, can anyone provide an online source for the Church Fathers? The CCEL site has been down lately, quite frustrating.

[NYer]

Say, can anyone provide an online source for the Church Fathers? The CCEL site has been down lately, quite frustrating.

EARLY CHURCH FATHERS

Be patient, it is a bit slow downloading.

[nickcarraway]

Is it a work and therefore not relying on Gods grace?

You have to understand something. There is a false distinction between between works and God's Grace and works and faith. Do you not think that God gives us Grace to do great things in His name? Grace does not come to us only after we live. We may be reluctant to accept it, but God is not stingy with Grace. Look at the Apostles and martyrs, did not God's Grace allow them to do His work? Of course! God's Grace allowed Peter to evangelize and then face his death being crucified upside down. That is God's Grace! God's Grace allowed Paul to evangelize and face his martyrdom. They were men, so their actions were the ``work of men,'' but it was also the work of God. God gives us his Grace to do His work on earth. Otherwise none of us would know about Christianity, would we?

[RnMomof7]

No one, not even God expects us to be perfect! For this, we have the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Your church teaches it is a mortal sin to miss mass right? What if the person dies in his sleep that night and has no opportunity for reconcilation?

Does this only apply to Catholics?

[RnMomof7]

Nic I think we can agree that faith and works go together...If a man has no works then we can assume he has dead faith ...

But the works must flow out of the faith..the faith is the tree that the fruit grows on..(lots of heathans do good things...that will not save them)

Agree that far??

Now the question to my mind is can a church make a law (weekly attendance a kinnda work) and say if you do not do it you will be damned..

Whattca think?

[Cleburne]

Thanks! CCEL is working this evening- I think it only goes down when I'm looking for something in particular...

[Antoninus]

Hey, I'm a saint!

The fact that you proclaim yourself to be one, is a pretty good indication that you ain't.

[Antoninus]

How many Catholics, my self included, have you driven deeper into the arms of Christ and his Church? Far more than you have lured away I would wager. For that I should thank you.

I'm another one. The searing vitriol which impregnates the anti-Catholic diatribes posted by these folks itself is enough to convince me that they do not speak for Christ.

So many of them seem to be anti-Catholics first, Christians second.

[Antoninus]

God bless Mel Gibson.

I pray that those who are now protestants may someday soon return to belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It may take a miracle, but hey, miracles happen....

Eucharistic Miracle

Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.

Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist.

During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.

The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.

The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.

Various ecclesiastical investigation ("Recognitions") were conducted since 1574.

In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

• The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
  
  
• The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
  
  
• The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
  
  
• In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.
  
  
• The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.
  
  
• The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).
  
  
• In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.
  
  
• In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.
  
  
• The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

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	Fig. 1 - Eosine x 200. Overall histological aspect of a Flesh sample with fibers collected in bundles with longitudinal orientation as it occurs in the outer surface layers of the heart.
	Fig. 2 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 250. An artery and, very close, a branch of the vagal nerve.
	Fig. 3 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 400. Evidence of the "Rough" aspect of the endocardium; the syncytoid structure of the myocardial tissue
	Fig. 4 - Elution-absorption test x 80. Above: Hemagglutination test on blood sample in Lanciano: on the left, anti A serum used; on the right, anti-B serum. Below: hemoagglutination test on a Flesh sample in Lanciano: left, with anti-A serum, right,with anti-B serum. It appears thus that the Flesh and the Blood in Lanciano belong to AB blood group.
	Fig. 5 - Electro-phoretic pattern of Blood proteins (Cromoscan photometer). The profile of serum fractions is normal and superimposable to that of a fresh serum sample.

In conclusion, it may be said that Science, when called upon to testify, has given a certain and thorough response as regards the authenticity of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.

Taken from The Web site of the Real Presence Association

[CCWoody]

The fact that you proclaim yourself to be one, is a pretty good indication that you ain't. ~ Antoninus

To back down from what the Lord has already done for me in order to pacify the Papist patsies here would be for me to declare the vanities of men more to be desired than the sweetness of God. It would be for me to puff myself up with the pride of seeking after manmade titles and despise the grace in which the Lord has already clothed me.

So, in humility, I'll maintain that the Lord himself has declared me a saint.

Woody.

My prayers are a sweet savor to the Father. I am to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To the one, I am the aroma of death to death, and to the other the aroma of life to life.

[RnMomof7]

Do you believe that the devil sometimes counterfits the work of God?

[conservonator]

So many of them seem to be anti-Catholics first, Christians second.

They have to be. If the Catholic Church is the one true Church, than they are at best, apostate due to invincible ignorance or at worst willfully participating in a man made heresy. So before they take one step in down their divergent theological path they must first put forward the case that the Catholic Church is in fact, at least in their mind, fraught with error and heresy. Only by demonstrating the illegitimacy of the Catholic Church can they make the case for their legitimacy.

I pray for them often.

[RightOnline]

May the Good Lord continue to watch over them as they film this..........and more importantly, after it's released.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The difference between the Catholic Chuch and the theology of the Reformers who worked to return Christ's teachings to Christ, is that the Catholic church believes it decides who is or is not a saint.

Reformed theology, founded in Scripture, asserts that only God can name his Saints.

The Catholic church has taken the word "saint" out of Biblical context, and created its own man-made, exclusionary term, dependent on the authority of Rome...again.

[Antoninus]

Do you believe that the devil sometimes counterfits the work of God?

I know he does. You can see some examples of it on this thread.

[Antoninus]

The difference between the Catholic Chuch and the theology of the Reformers who worked to return Christ's teachings to Christ, is that the Catholic church believes it decides who is or is not a saint.

Bzzzt. Oh no, I'm sorry. But thanks for playing! Of course, the Catholic Church teaches that God decides who is a saint (duh!). The Church simply confirms it through the canonization process.

Try to get your facts straight, Doc.

[fortheDeclaration]

That's why you should have continued to read all the verses from John 6. As is often the case, Catholics pluck from Scripture and fail to understand the full meaning of all the words. Further, Christ told us he spoke in parables so that those to whom God has given understanding will know what the parables mean. Others will be looking skyward as the meaning flies over their heads. John 6:63 - It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. And so we come full-circle to the topic of this thread. "The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life."

Amen!

A text without a context is a pretext

[Dr. Eckleburg]

A text without a context is a pretext.

That's a great line!

If I end up stealing it sometime, remind me it's yours. 8~)

[fortheDeclaration]

A text without a context is a pretext. That's a great line! If I end up stealing it sometime, remind me it's yours. 8~)

Well, since I got it from somewhere it is public domain :>