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A very violent 'passion' ["Miracles" on set of Mel Gibson's movie?]
New York Daily News ^ | January 26, 2003 | HOLLY McCLURE

Posted on 02/01/2003 9:28:04 AM PST by Polycarp

A very violent 'passion'

Mel Gibson's movie about the last hours in the life of Jesus Christ is his riskiest yet

By HOLLY McCLURE

Excerpt:

WORKING MIRACLES?

"There is an interesting power in the script," he adds. "A lot of unusual things have been happening — good things, like people being healed of diseases. A guy who was struck by lightning while we were filming the crucifixion scene just got up and walked away."

Francesco De Vito, who plays the disciple Peter, says "I talk with Judas [Luca Lionello] and with John [Hristo Jivkov] about this movie and about faith on the set, and there is something going on with many of us. We've become very focused — it has changed us."

"There's a pride that all of us have because we realize we are working on an important movie that could change a lot of lives," says Vera Mitchell, Caviezel's personal stylist on the film.

To portray the most famous man who ever lived requires a confident, controlled actor who can radiate mercy, love and forgiveness without opening his mouth. Film historian and "Hot Ticket" critic Leonard Maltin thinks Caviezel was tailor-made for the role of Jesus.

"There's always a question of whether it's an asset or distraction to have well-known stars in key roles," says Maltin. "Jim is a great choice. He's a very earnest and sincere actor and he's not a 'personality' with a lot of baggage from other parts that he's played."

On an average day, Caviezel goes through an arduous makeup session that lasts anywhere from four to seven hours and transforms his clean-shaven face and partly shaved head into a believable likeness of Jesus.

"He looks like the Shroud of Turin," Gibson said when he first saw him onscreen.

Caviezel recalls that when Gibson offered him the part, he said to him, "Do you realize I'm 33 years old, the same age Jesus was when he went through all of this?" He believes his performance is divinely inspired.

"Truthfully, it was never up to me," he says. "I'm interested in letting God work through me to play this role. I believe the Holy Spirit has been leading me in the right direction and to get away from my own physical flesh and allow the character of Jesus to be played out the way God wants it — that's all I can do."

He has found Aramaic an intimidating language to learn and speak on camera.

"But I asked God to help me and I was able to learn it in a quick amount of time, more than I normally am able to learn things," he says.

The devoutly Catholic Caviezel takes his role seriously, often praying and softly quoting Scripture while in character. But he has a lighter side (he does a dead-on imitation of Bing Crosby) as well as a stoic one.

"I endured freezing winds that almost blew my cross off the cliff while I was on it," he says. "I felt it sway back and forth and I knew it was going to blow over."

This went on for a couple of weeks. "To make matters worse," he continues, "we were there without a heater and, of course, I don't have many clothes on the cross, so my body was going numb. I was spit on and beaten and carried my cross for days over and over the same road — it was brutal."

When asked about the makeup and special effects for his crucifixion scenes he winces, "I have a 2 a.m. call time to get skin put on for the flagellation and crucifixion scenes. But I consider all of it worth it to play this role."

"I know Jim suffered," Gibson says. "He separated [dislocated] his left shoulder and was in a lot of pain and discomfort, but he was very patient during the whole thing."

Not only did Caviezel spend 15 days on the cross, he endured days in ropes and chains, being scourged and whipped.

"Mel likes to put violence in his movies," the actor says, "but all he cares about is making it look true to the text. Never before has a film of our Lord been shown like this one. By the time [audiences] get to the crucifixion scene, I believe there will be many who can't take it and will have to walk out — I guarantee it. And I believe there will be many who will stay and be drawn to the truth."

Keith Vanderlaan, the film's special-effects makeup producer, did extensive research on crucifixions, then improvised to show nails being hammered into Jesus' hands, ribs protruding from his chest and blood spurting from his side. Audience members — at least, those who stay — will feel as if they are watching an actual crucifixion.

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To: nickcarraway
If they die in a state of sanctifying Grace they can.

Isn't INTENTIONALLY missing mass a mortal sin?

181 posted on 02/08/2003 2:42:13 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: RnMomof7; NYer; Dr. Eckleburg
In John 6, Greek word used for "body" is sarx, which can only mean physical flesh, and the word for "eats" (trogon) translates as "gnaws" or "chews." This is certainly not the language of metaphor.
182 posted on 02/08/2003 2:42:46 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: RnMomof7; NYer
Isn't INTENTIONALLY missing mass a mortal sin?

Yes. If I had absolute omniscient knowledge of the person's soul I could probably answer your question. But I'm not God, so I can't. In general, I don't think it would be good to deliberately miss Mass. I wouldn't advise someone to do it. But since it is impossible know the mind of God, I'd hesitate to subsitute my judgement. I can't know if that person has sanctifying Grace or not.

183 posted on 02/08/2003 2:48:29 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Hence, the Mass, the Confessional, the Priesthood, the Eucharist, the Pope, Rome. All elevating the earthly things of man to the station of God.

Are you going to add the Bible to that list? If God has power to guide us on earth through the Bible, how come he doesn't have the power to guide us through those means? Sounds pretty selective.

184 posted on 02/08/2003 2:51:29 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: RnMomof7
Can someone intentionally not go to mass and if he dies that day or the next ..can he go to heaven?

Does this pertain only to catholics - lapsed or active?

185 posted on 02/08/2003 2:52:04 PM PST by NYer (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: nickcarraway
In John 6, Greek word used for "body" is sarx, which can only mean physical flesh, and the word for "eats" (trogon) translates as "gnaws" or "chews." This is certainly not the language of metaphor.

The word "body" does not appear in John 6

The word "flesh "is used

Seeing He gave that flesh for the world it is a proper use

Please consider the context of the discourse...They had just been fed by a miracle of Jesus..having their physical needs met was what they clammored for. Jesus was giving them an eternal spiritual lesson..He was using a metaphor to make His point..

He was teaching them that they could not work their way to heaven..They asked

Jhn 6:28   Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

They did not like His answer

186 posted on 02/08/2003 3:02:22 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: RnMomof7
The word "body" does not appear in John 6 The word "flesh "is used

That was my point.

187 posted on 02/08/2003 3:05:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: RnMomof7
They had just been fed by a miracle of Jesus..having their physical needs met was what they clammored for. Jesus was giving them an eternal spiritual lesson..He was using a metaphor to make His point..

So you think he fed those people with ``metaphoric'' fish and loaves. I think they were real.

188 posted on 02/08/2003 3:08:24 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Yes. If I had absolute omniscient knowledge of the person's soul I could probably answer your question. But I'm not God, so I can't. In general, I don't think it would be good to deliberately miss Mass

You do not need to be omniscient to lnmow what your church teaches...according to your church it is a mortal sin is that not correct? (Or is your church wrong?)

The requirement to attend Mass on Sunday and other holy days of obligation, rooted in the Third Commandment and codified in Church law (cf. Code of Canon Law, canons 1246-48) is a serious obligation for all Catholics. A Catholic who (a) is able to attend Sunday Mass (i.e., who is not impeded by illness, lack of transportation, etc.), (b) knows the seriousness of this requirement, and (c) nonetheless freely chooses to miss Mass, thereby commits a mortal sin (cf. Catechism, no. 2181)

189 posted on 02/08/2003 3:09:06 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: NYer
Does this pertain only to catholics - lapsed or active?

Does it matter? I am a baptised Catholic is missing mass a sin for me? What of my husband a practicing Catholic?

190 posted on 02/08/2003 3:10:35 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: nickcarraway
Did I say that? He used a metaphor to explain a spiritual truth..they were fed with real fish..read the entire chapter nic ..not just the part you like:>)
191 posted on 02/08/2003 3:12:39 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: RnMomof7
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. But if we judged ourselves truly, we should not be judged. But when we are judged by the Lord, we are chastened so that we may not be condemned along with the world. (1 Corintinans 11:23-32)
192 posted on 02/08/2003 3:21:57 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: RnMomof7
He used a metaphor to explain a spiritual truth..they were fed with real fish..read the entire chapter nic ..not just the part you like:>)

I was trying to point out that you are not reading the entire chapter. The miracle was real just as His Words are. He gave them a REAL MEAL to demonstrate the reality of his words.

193 posted on 02/08/2003 3:23:59 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: RnMomof7
Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 11:27)

Paul is quite clear.

194 posted on 02/08/2003 3:26:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: RnMomof7
For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Paul is quite clear. ``discerning the body,'' doesn't apply to a metaphor.

195 posted on 02/08/2003 3:29:10 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Complete agreement..a memorial is a sacred moment

196 posted on 02/08/2003 3:43:05 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: nickcarraway
The meal PRECEEDED the teaching..he rebuked them for thier desire to have physical needs met
197 posted on 02/08/2003 3:44:18 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: nickcarraway
So Nic..is missiong mass a mortal sin? Is mortal sin a block to entering heaven?
198 posted on 02/08/2003 3:45:19 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: RnMomof7
Yes, missing Mass is a mortal sin. (as I told you) And a mortal sin is a block to entering heaven. What I guess I didn't make clear is I would refrain from judging a certain case. No doubt, missing Mass can prevent you from going to heaven. Only God knows who it prevented from going to heaven. You looked up the Cathechism, so I am surprised you need to answer these questions.
199 posted on 02/08/2003 3:49:16 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: RnMomof7
Your husband is a practicing Catholic?
200 posted on 02/08/2003 3:49:37 PM PST by nickcarraway
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