[RnMomof7]

That is probably it. Calvin goes on and on about God placing this knowledge of Himself in man and that Man can't help but know that God is there and we have a duty to Him, but turns around and says that our natures are enough to overcome the powerful urges that God places within us.

I would point to Adam and Eve..they not only had a knowledge of them in their heart ..they had a physical knowlege of Him..they fellowshipped with Him..yet they did not "chose" him..they ran from Him...

[ksen]

So Adam & Eve were created with sin natures?