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It's part of no deal. There is no deal to deny the faith. When Bugnini, by means of a weak and unwise pope, foisted his Protestant Mass on the Catholic world, he created an earthquake. Traditionalists might have survived Vatican II with our noses out of joint, but the New Mass was a false worship and had to be rejected. It represents a new religion and a clear denial of Catholic doctrines. You may not think so--but perhaps you need to study the problem more. This is not a minor issue. It is offensive and harmful to the Catholic faith and must be rejected.

Trust in a pope is admirable. But there are limits. True, the statement on the Jews from a papal institute is not finally official--but it reflects clearly the policy and thinking of this papacy which places a heretical ecumenism before Catholic Tradition itself. That is what I find most damnable about Rome's current agenda. It goes about destroying Tradition, but doing so as Cranmer did in England--by subterfuge and suppression. Do you think it will come out and deny the Real Presence? Not on your life--but it won't defend it either and allows apostate bishops to have their way and deny kneeling before communion and the shunting aside of tabernacles. It knows what's happening--and won't lift a pinky to stop it.

Traditionalists might have survived Vatican II with our noses out of joint, but the New Mass was a false worship and had to be rejected. It represents a new religion and a clear denial of Catholic doctrines.

How? And please provide doctrinal specifics. Violations of CANON LAW. Not preferences.

That is what I find most damnable about Rome's current agenda. It goes about destroying Tradition, but doing so as Cranmer did in England--by subterfuge and suppression. Do you think it will come out and deny the Real Presence?

I don't know where you live, but you need to get out more. There has NEVER been a denial of the Real Presence in official church teaching. There are some bishops suppressing it, I suppose (not where I live). But this has never been denied in any way from the Vatican.

Not on your life--but it won't defend it either and allows apostate bishops to have their way and deny kneeling before communion and the shunting aside of tabernacles.

You haven't been paying attention. This is in the process of being fixed. Bishops have been warned. No, their heads aren't rolling, but they've been corrected, and, yes, they are resisting. It might take retirements before some dioceses change. The reversal is going to be gradual.

Now, would you kindly give us ONE, just ONE, example of an OFFICIAL piece of Canon Law, Doctrine, not Mass rubrics, either, which has been contradicted under the current Magisterium.

For some reason your #34 brings to mind the following :

"I'm sorry Jesus Christ did not have a good public relations office because maybe he wouldn't have had the bad problem of being crucified," he told the Herald during an interview this weekend.

The speaker is Cardinal Lustiger in an interview with Paul Sheehan of the Sidney Morning Herald in 2001 (Actual date not given by mirroring source). Full text here

- Telit