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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Is Saul also among the prophets?

Yup. Prophets prophesy, and Saul did (I Sam. 10:10; 19:24). So yes, Saul was a Prophet.

But then again, so were Balaam and Caiaphas. This does not mean that they were Saved... just that God directed their tongues for His purposes.

John the Baptist, OTOH, was "filled" with the Holy Spirit "even from his mother's womb". This seems to me to be qualitatively different language than God's direction over the tongues of Saul or Balaam or Caiaphas.

I'd add the cases of the "such is the Kingdom" infants as another example of im-mediate, infant regeneration also, while I am thinking about it.

As always, IMHO. best, op

61 posted on 01/28/2003 11:26:48 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
John the Baptist, OTOH, was "filled" with the Holy Spirit "even from his mother's womb". This seems to me to be qualitatively different language than God's direction over the tongues of Saul or Balaam or Caiaphas.

I'd add the cases of the "such is the Kingdom" infants as another example of im-mediate, infant regeneration also, while I am thinking about it.

Well, i certainly don't argue about whether or not John was filled from his Mother's womb, that is undeniebly scriptural (Luke 1:15). What i am actually trying to discern in the matter is whether or not the knowlege of John the Baptist in the womb was immediate. IMHO, we are arguing from silence on the issue, while it is admitted that the media for John the Baptist would be more restrictive than it would be for others, it does not follow that a media did not exist. We do know that unborn infants do have some contact with the external world...i recall the picture that Drudge posted of a surgeon working on a pre-born infant...the child reached outside the incision on the mother and grasped the surgeon's finger...enough to chill the blood of anyone who is part of the "child-murder-in-the-guise-of-woman's-health-care" industry, assuming they still have a heart to pump the chilled blood. None-the-less, we still must prove that the knowlege is immediate imputation

63 posted on 01/28/2003 11:45:45 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (He must increase, but i must decrease.)
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