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Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")
The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

Posted on 01/24/2003 4:41:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage

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To: Wrigley
"You been have been beating this horse ever since my husband pass away!"

Wrigley, your attempts to use a personal and sensitive situation of rest's as some kind of club are truely disgusting.

If you didn't intend it that way the decent thing to do is to tell her you are sorry about doing it.
81 posted on 01/25/2003 8:51:07 PM PST by Grig
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To: drstevej
"If I die believing in Jesus Christ as my Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that Mormonism is heretical where do I wind up in your theological understanding? "

In the Spirit World, the prison half of it. After that I can't really say.

Where you go from there depends on what you knew in life and what choices you make in the spirit prison. I think it's safe to say that someone who is believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior is not a son of predition, so I'll only narrow it down to one of the three kingdoms of glory.
82 posted on 01/25/2003 9:01:51 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig
So believing in Jesus as my Savior is good enough for spirit prison with early release for good behavior?

Sad theology.
83 posted on 01/25/2003 9:13:31 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej; Grig
Your #80 to Grig: If I die believing in Jesus Christ as my Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that Mormonism is heretical where do I wind up in your theological understanding?

If you die believing in Jesus Christ as your Savior, and that belief has led you to repent of your sins and keep His commandments, loving God and doing good to others, being meek and humble and childlike, teaching all these things to your children, being a good example of holiness and righteousness to them, and to all, you will be found among the righteous in the next life. You will not be found among those who have to go to hell because they would not repent.

If you die believing in Christ, but that belief has not led you to repent of your sins or keep His commandments, are you really a believer?

Most Christians are somewhere between the two right now, and we will let God, who is both just and merciful, help them learn the lessons of life that they have not learned yet, and judge them when the time comes according to their individual behavior towards God and towards others. It is for us to exhort all to faith in Christ, repentance, holiness, righteousness, keeping the commandments, and so forth.

Now, you added something else. What if you believe in Christ, but reject those He sends to you to speak and act for Him?

Obviously, it would a serious thing to reject Peter, Paul, Isaiah, Moses, and Abraham since you know that Christ has sent them. It would be tough to convince anyone that you believe in Christ if you reject the words He spoke through Peter and Paul, who were sent to speak for Him.

When you come to know by the witness of the Holy Spirit that Jesus also sent apostles in your day, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and their successors, that changes things. But right now, you don't have that witness, and right now, God does not hold you responsible for that.

He does hold you responsible for doing what you already know from the Bible that you should do, as summarized above -- study the Bible and live accordingly.

A vital part of that is receiving the apostles and prophets whom Jesus has sent, and being willing to receive whomever Jesus may choose to send, because you cannot claim that God can no longer speak to you, nor would you say that you will not hear if He does.

In other words, leaving your personal feelings against Joseph and Brigham out of it for the moment, God can do what He wants, and you are willing to let Him. He has raised up apostles and prophets in the past, to speak to His people, to organize them, to lead them, to direct their labors in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to guide and direct the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is His way of doing things. He can do it again anytime.

Perilous times are prophesied before the Second Coming. The world has gone through much in the last 100 years, and surely there is more to come. The Lord said He wants to gather His people often. He does so by sending prophets and apostles to them:

Matthew 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

They probably said in their hearts that they were already gathered. Weren't they living right there in Jerusalem? But they did not receive those whom Jesus sent to them, nor did they receive Jesus Himself when He came in person, nor His apostles after His earthly misson was complete.

Can you say in your heart, that whatever God does, you will support it, so long as you are able to know that God is doing it? That is the purpose of the witness of the Holy Spirit. Ask of God, that you may know what God is doing today, and whom He has sent to lead, guide, and organize those labors, as the Second Coming draws nigh.

84 posted on 01/25/2003 11:09:13 PM PST by White Mountain (Jesus said, "... come, follow me." Luke 18:22)
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To: restornu
BTW there are ways to know if the husband accepts and it is none of your business!

Are you seeing a medium?

85 posted on 01/26/2003 4:37:22 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: restornu
Yet it is ok for you to get personal!

Who says I'm talking about you? Its a generic situation that has to come up.

86 posted on 01/26/2003 4:40:17 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Grig
Yes, I grief for rest's salvation. I really believe rest is a sincere and faithful woman. And knowing that what Mormoninsm teaches, her eternal fate is in jepordy.

I have tried to keep the discussion away from personal situations. I know this is a very sensitive area for rest. And I have kept that in mind as I asked my questions. To be totally honest, I felt uncomfortable asking them. But it is an important area to look into.

I'm looking at your 79 closely. I have a lot of questions.
87 posted on 01/26/2003 4:55:30 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: A.J.Armitage
IMHO, Of all the names in the Cream of the Crop,...are merely Mohammed by any other name. ....At least Muslims keep to one false name.
88 posted on 01/26/2003 5:26:16 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Wrigley
Chuckle! ya! ya! Sure Wrigley as you use the back door:)
89 posted on 01/26/2003 5:30:53 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Well, it was open.
:)
90 posted on 01/26/2003 5:34:14 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
You have a rascally nature!
91 posted on 01/26/2003 5:47:09 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu; Wrigley
Now you are moving the conversation to the Temple instuctions! I don't discuss what happens there!

Aren't there some general teachings on these things outside the temple ordinances?

I do not think he was asking you to reveal any great secrets..but just what is the LDS general understanding of this

Have a good Sunday Rest

92 posted on 01/26/2003 6:04:19 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Utah Girl
I come from parents who thankfully gave us boring names

Thank them really big

Did you see the article that Black kids with rare names often do not get an interview?..I read years ago that teachers have a bias againt odd names..Best to go with the trendy or old names..

BTW I have a son that has always been called by his middle name so he uses his inital first...so some non Mormons do that too

93 posted on 01/26/2003 6:10:36 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Utah Girl
I love the name Karen..that was the name of my best friend in HS..I have not heard it in a long time..I wonder why it is not more popular..
94 posted on 01/26/2003 6:12:10 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Grig
Couples who do not maintain love and respect for eachother in this life can not expect to have it after death. God will work out the cases where one spouse is not to blame according to his wisdom, His counsel to us is focused on not becoming such an exception, so that is what we focus on.
I see no reason to think that the husband MUST call her, or that if called, she MUST comply.

You have verfied something I have said frequently and been told is not true..

A Mormon woman is alomost blackmailed into being sweet and compliant ...the realization that if her husband does not call her she can never get into the celestial kingdom is enough to keep any woman in line (and to put her on prozac for the stress)

He died in a car accident and later someone said to her 'at least now you can go to the temple and be sealed to him' to try and cheer her up. She replied 'no, he had his chance'.

How do you know if the dead husband accepted mormonism in the next life? And would he not be kept out of the celestial kingdom anyway as he was never through the necsessary ordinances??

95 posted on 01/26/2003 6:18:09 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Wrigley
Could you not picture us in the CK, I being a Pranster and you a Rascal:)

I pray by than much will have been elevated in our deportment!

96 posted on 01/26/2003 6:19:39 AM PST by restornu
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To: Grig
If she converted after marriage and he did not, or if he fall away from the church, then she is not to blame and will not be made to suffer for it. She will be no more cut off from full exhaltation than the single sisters President Benson was talking to.

But a woman can not be exhaulted without her husband..would she become the wife of another man?

97 posted on 01/26/2003 6:20:55 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Some times you let that wildy spirit you listen to blow thinks way out of the realm!

It is not an either or thing that is your religion.

In the LDS we must be justified by the Lord, he knows the Laws that need to be satified better than you are I. Man part is to believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and to repent, be baptized, and receive the Holy Spirit to guild us through the mindfilds of life. Most of all "Keep the Lords Commandments!"

We can only recieve from the Lord if we do our part! Else wise we have no promise!

98 posted on 01/26/2003 6:29:44 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
It is an amusing imaginary picture.
99 posted on 01/26/2003 8:27:40 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: drstevej
"So believing in Jesus as my Savior is good enough for spirit prison with early release for good behavior? Sad theology."

Do you belive a person who dies believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a true prophet and that Mormonism is the true gospel will enter heaven? You've made it clear that you think not, so spare me the hypocracy. I at least say you would still have a chance.

Those who truely do know and love Christ will come to follow his true prophets. Those who claim to belive in Christ and reject his prophets are only kidding themselves.
100 posted on 01/26/2003 12:45:07 PM PST by Grig
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