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I think the question is how is it that some men have the need to connect with the God of the bible and others need to develop their own religion or have no religion? What is the difference? That is the question that interested Calvin ~I think~

You're probably right Mom. And that may be near the heart of the difference between the Calvinists and the Arminians. What is it that makes a man turn to the Living God?

Calvinists would say it is Irresistable Grace, Arminians would say it is Man's recognition of his true condition and the relief of that condition offered to them by God through Jesus Christ.

[Jean Chauvin]

"Calvinists would say it is Irresistable Grace,"

That's a bit simplistic. It would be similar if I said, "Arminians would say it is becuase of prevenient grace".

"Arminians would say it is Man's recognition of his true condition and the relief of that condition offered to them by God through Jesus Christ. "

Calvinists would say much the same thing. This brings the difference to an even deeper level: Just how does man get this 'recognition of his true condition'?

Jean

[RnMomof7]

Calvinists would say it is Irresistable Grace, Arminians would say it is Man's recognition of his true condition and the relief of that condition offered to them by God through Jesus Christ.

Correct..

Can I ask you something?

When you were saved did it occur to you AT THAT MOMENT to refuse?

I am not talking about hearing it and not chosing it previously..but at the moment when you were more aware of God then you thought possible?

Did you consider a NO