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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I wasn't talking about some New Age mumbo jumbo or that we have a spark of the Divine within us.

Look around you.

I have, have you? You don't ever wonder why, no matter where you go or what time period you look at, there is religion. Why is that?

Every age has its pretensions towards goodness. Certainly the 20th century pretensions were as corrupted as any, centering around "the psychology of self," and the largesse of the state, and the inherent goodness of the "natural" man.

I wasn't talking about Mankind's "inherent goodness."

I don't recognize any such "need."

From the article: For, in the first place, no man can survey himself without forthwith turning his thoughts towards the God in whom he lives and moves; because it is perfectly obvious, that the endowments which we possess cannot possibly be from ourselves; nay, that our very being is nothing else than subsistence in God alone.

I believe Calvin, and Paul (Ro 1:19), may disagree with you.

63 posted on 01/23/2003 1:42:08 PM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: ksen
...because it is perfectly obvious that the endowments which we possess cannot possibly be from ourselves...

Calvin was speaking to those in Geneva who were the most intense, rigorous reformers in Europe.

When he wrote that "no man can survey himself without turning his thoughts towards the God in whom he lives and moves," Calvin was addressing these fellow reformers who had already agreed that everything flows from God to man, and not the other way around. These men believed they "sought God" because God first sought them, changed their hearts and saved their souls, like Paul.

Man seeks a god, in general, because he's afraid of thunder and lightning.

A regenerate man seeks God because he has no other choice.

"We love Him because He loved us first."

70 posted on 01/23/2003 4:11:37 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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