[ksen]

Thus, our feeling of ignorance, vanity, want, weakness, in short, depravity and corruption, reminds us, (see Calvin on John 4: 10,) that in the Lord, and none but He, dwell the true light of wisdom, solid virtue, exuberant goodness. We are accordingly urged by our own evil things to consider the good things of God; and, indeed, we cannot aspire to Him in earnest until we have begun to be displeased with ourselves.

Was Calvin not as sold on Total Depravity as we may have been led to believe?

[the_doc]

Was Calvin not as sold on Total Depravity as we may have been led to believe?

I am not sure why you are asking. (Have you been reading too much stuff by Dave Hunt [grin]?)

[rwfromkansas]

I do not think so. Even Calvinists don't always use language like "God led us to himself" etc.

Sometimes even Calvinists say "we have got to turn to Christ and see our own sin." It doesn't mean we have abandoned our deeper beliefs about HOW this occurs simply by appealing to humans to turn to Christ.

I don't have a problem with Scripture saying "Choose this day..." because I have a deeper understanding of HOW I choose....and it really in the deeper sense is God choosing me.

Thus, Calvin's language does not mean he believes we can choose God by ourselves.