Joseph Smith's Consent Needed to Enter Heaven (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p.282-91)

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[CCWoody]

Well, that preview ended up being all wrong.

[Jean Chauvin]

"But, where could you hide plants on a roof like that?"

In the gutters. Trust me. I forgot to clean my gutters last fall and I had little oak trees growing out of them last spring.

Jean

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Then there were my comments. You weren't to comment on the Article 7, but on my comments.

Guess that could have been more clear, couldn't it? :>)

Aye, that could have been clearer.

You need remember that Finney was a lawyer by training...which does not speak well of his character, (fortunately the Grace of God is sufficient for all, but it's awful close in the case of lawyers).

As a result he was not above playing "games" with language, as was evident during his examination for preaching credentials in the Presbyterian Church. If i seemed over critical of that statement, it was for good reason.

i have to go away for a few hours, be back this evening (EST)

[Jean Chauvin]

"...I forgot to clean my gutters last fall ..."

Make that: I forgot to clean my gutters a year ago last fall...

Jean

[Jerry_M]

Re. 720.

Not just Reformed Baptist, but a Reformed Southern Baptist congregation. The fact that they adhere to the "Abstract of Principles" shows that they are standing firmly on the foundation of our Convention. May their tribe increase!

[the_doc]

Ahhh, but they do seem to be Reformed Baptists

They are Southern Baptists. (Not that there are always terribly important differences between SBC Calvinists and Reformed Baptists, but I thought I should point out that the SBC folks usually don't use the "Reformed" terminology.)

Anyway, I do wonder how the MJ could be hidden on the roof! And I wonder who was tending it (if anyone)!

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Btw X, what did that article have to do with Finney anyway?

[xzins]

Only in the sense of setting the stage for a pelagian discussion.

[Jerry_M]

You do have a point: "Reformed Southern Baptist" is a bit unwieldy, especially since Southern Baptists started out as Calvinists, and didn't need to be re-Reformed (even if some of them sometimes need to be reminded that they have strayed from their roots if they are not Calvinistic.)

[CCWoody]

"(Not that there are always terribly important differences between SBC Calvinists and Reformed Baptists, but I thought I should point out that the SBC folks usually don't use the "Reformed" terminology.)"

It seems like I might be able to find a joke with 2 Baptists and a bridge....

"Anyway, I do wonder how the MJ could be hidden on the roof! And I wonder who was tending it (if anyone)!"

Well, according to the story, the weed was being grown as the found water next to it. I'm guessing that somebody figured that the cops (or mom & dad) wouldn't look for his stuff if he hid it on the local church roof.

And now the joke (only slightly crass):

"Do you know why you should always invite TWO Baptists to go fishing with you?"
"Because if you only invite one, he'll drink all your beer . . invite two and they won't drink any."

[ponyespresso]

Welcome abord lad or lass, which ever the case may be!

for the record, lad.

Actually, I fit right in on this thread, having married into a Scottish heritage; though my wife is English, her father's family are Scottish (Lees, of the MacPherson clan). We actually lived in Edinburgh for three months in 1998 working with recovering drug addicts and children and families with AIDS. I loved living there, loved the work I did, loved the people, but we lived in Leith right off the Firth of Forth and I have never been sooooo cold in my life (L.A. born and bred me).

Other than the weather, and the fact that they paved John Knox's grave and put up a parking lot, I loved every single thing about what I saw of Scotland, and would love to go back to live again.

[the_doc]

Good point. The SBC's Founders' Conferences have made a LOT of progress in educating SBC pastors about the fact that ALL of the SBC's founders were Five-Point Calvinists.

Do you remember mentioning to me that you heard a great black preacher from Houston preach a solidly Calvinistic sermon? Well, after some checking, I traced him to a huge SBC church with 14,000 members. All of their officers are solid Calvinists. And their church's statement of faith is clearly Calvinistic.

(If I am not mistaken, this is about the third largest church in Houston. This tells us that the SBC is a potentially explosive source of Calvinistic evangelism. I honestly suspect that the SBC Calvinists will dwarf all of the other Reformed movements pretty soon.)

[Jerry_M]

Re. 732.

Voddie Baucham, a great preacher. In fact, he will preaching once again at our state evangelism conference, but I will be out-of-state that week visiting my parents.

[the_doc]

I understand that Voddie is no longer at the big church I mentioned earlier, but he is highly respected down here. He recently served as a supply pastor at First Baptist in Houston. (He may still be doing that.)

[Jerry_M]

Check this out.

[CCWoody]

A man was standing off the edge of the Sydney Harbour Bridge --about to jump.


A passer-by tried to talk him down; he asked: "well, are you a Christian?" to which the man answered "yes."

He exclaimed: "great, me too; what kind of Christian are you? Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant?"

The answer was: "Protestant."

"Me too; what kind of Protestant? Anglican, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Pentecostal?"

The answer was: "Pentecostal."

The man got excited: "me too; are you an initial evidence or a third wave Pentecostal?"

"Initial evidence."

"Me too; what kind of initial evidence? Are you a AOG, CRC, COC, CCC?"

"AOG."

Now, he got really excited: "Me too; are you Premillenial, Post Millenial or Amillenial?"

The guy on the bridge said: "Amillenial" and with that the passer-by, becoming very angry, screamed: "Die, heretic!" and pushed him off the bridge.

[CCWoody]

What does a blonde say when you blow in her ear?

Thanks for the refill.

[Jerry_M]

Boy, you are on a roll! You haven't been up on the church roof, have you?

[CCWoody]

Why was Isaac 12 years old when God called Abraham to sacrifice his son?


Because if he had been a teenager, it wouldn't have been a sacrifice at all.

P.S. Ask the_doc what he was tempted to say in response to my beer & Baptists joke....

P.P.S. I like what Voddie is saying about worship. It is one area where my church is very expressive.

[Jean Chauvin]

Principle: "Emo! Emo! Emo!"

Emo: "I'm the one in the middle, you drunken slob!"