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To: Rad_J; Grig; Delphinium
So, to get to the highest level of the Celectial Kingdom, a man needs a woman and a woman needs a man. Neither can get there alone.

The divorce rate among Mormons is similar to the general population..That divorced Mormon male may have a second or third legal wife sealed to him...His poor ex wives are still sealed to the first husband...and have no other way into heaven but that the guy that didn't want her here may want her there..

That is way the diagnosis of depression is so high in the mormon church these women can not afford to make hubby mad enough to go away..same problem the plural wives had..they are spiritually blackmailed..

92 posted on 01/20/2003 3:06:09 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I don't agree with your assumptions and your opinions about Mormons in general. Women get temple divorces all the time and so do men.

Are there sexist Mormons? Yes. I have never seen any statistics about the number of temple divorces and whether it is any different for women vs men. Yes, I have heard the rumor too.

Lets see what the Bible says? My wife asked me about this very verse the other day and I couldn't explain it.

Matthew 5:31
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

JESUS said if a man marries a woman who is divorced for a reason other than fornication causeth her to commit adultery. Well, what about the man? Is he committing adultery too? I don't know the answer.

1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

Eve partook of the fruit first but it is called the fall of Adam, not eve. Mormons don't blame the woman, just the man.

These verses sound very sexist to me. That doesn't justify treating women poorly in any instance. Men and women are equal in God's eyes. If men teach differently or use the Bible to treat women poorly then that is WRONG. Sorry if you were ever mistreated by fellow Mormons. I'll tell you what, my Mom ran our house groing up. In fact, my wife runs our house now, just ask her :) In fact, she usually refers to me as one of her boys or kids.
94 posted on 01/20/2003 3:26:23 PM PST by Rad_J
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To: RnMomof7
"The divorce rate among Mormons is similar to the general population"

Last time I checked, the divorce rate among temple married Mormons was WAY lower than that in the general population.

"and have no other way into heaven but that the guy that didn't want her here may want her there.."

You make me think of the Jewish leaders who sat down and wrote pages and pages of what you can and can't do on the sabbath. The gospel is not so legalistic, we are told what the path to follow is and are expected to do our best to follow it. We trust to God to handle the exceptional situations with wisdom, mercy, love and justice.

There is nothing one person can do to hinder the salvation of another person, for God will not hold one person accountable for the actions of another. Temple divorces are commonly given after civil divorces, and even in a worst case situation as you describe, a person who honestly does their best to live the gospel won't be at the mercy of anyone but Christ. In the situation you describe, I think the likely outcome would be that HE would not enter into heaven. Having a temple marriage means NOTHING if you don't live a christ-like life, for for him to do that to her is must unchrist-like.

"That is way the diagnosis of depression is so high in the mormon church"

Bzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. You must have forgotten how discredited that story was.

"they are spiritually blackmailed."

Funny, my sister had no trouble divorcing her husband. First you say the divorce rate is the same, then you say they are blackmailed into not divorcing. Make up your mind.
138 posted on 01/20/2003 6:39:38 PM PST by Grig
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