To: scripter
"What you're dismissing is the preceeding and immediate context - the history and the current situation."
I'm not dismissing it, I'm saying that none of it alters the fact that he wanted the wisdom so he could use to lead. God's reply confirms that he wanted wisdom 'to govern my people'.
The argument has been made:
Solomon asked for wisdom for unselfish reasons
God granted the request
Therefore those passages can be used to justify asking God for wisdom ONLY if the reason for wanting wisdom is unselfish.
I'm saying:
Solomon's reasons were not totaly unselfish, but they were a righteous desire, so:
Solomon asked for wisdom to use to fulfill a righeous desire
God granted the request
Therefore those passages can be used to justify asking God for wisdom to use in fulfill a righeous desire
"That's 100% eisegesis"
Saying his motive was not 100% unselfish is no more or less eisegesis than saying Solomon's reasons were 100%unselfish. It is not eisegesis however to say that he wanted wisdom to fulfill a righeous desire.
"I agree. And 2 Chronicles chapter 1, Matt 7 and Luke 11 are the examples to use in support of that idea. "
Yes, and James 1:5 too.
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01/25/2003 10:22:20 AM PST by
Grig
To: Grig
Saying his motive was not 100% unselfish is no more or less eisegesis than saying Solomon's reasons were 100%unselfish. Since God said it was Solomon's hearts desire and Solomon asked "So give your servant a discerning heart to govern your people and to distinguish between right and wrong" is about as selfless as it gets. Somomon respected God's people so much (context) he requested wisdom to lead effectively. That's all it says.
It is not eisegesis however to say that he wanted wisdom to fulfill a righeous desire.
I agree and that's what I've been saying. Your comment: "I'm saying his motive was not 100% unselfish, he gets the perk of being liked and remembered as a good leader instead of a hated bumbling fool of a king, plus the potential to make wise decisions all through his life."
That comment about being liked and remembered as a good leader is eisegesis and can be found nowhere in the text.
To: Grig
Yes, and James 1:5 too. How did I miss this!? James 1:5 is about trials and asking for wisdom to endure trials, so no, James 1:5 isn't the verse to use.
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