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To: George W. Bush; RnMomof7
The complexity just of following YOUR WRITINGS about the idea of "God and time" lends credence to the idea that unraveling the distinction between "God's determining and God's foreknowing" is nigh onto impossible. If the bible doesn't directly address it (and I cannot recall where it does), then it's wrong of me to call a calvinist a "heretic."
96 posted on 01/22/2003 8:18:55 AM PST by xzins (???????)
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To: xzins
The complexity just of following YOUR WRITINGS about the idea of "God and time" lends credence to the idea that unraveling the distinction between "God's determining and God's foreknowing" is nigh onto impossible.

Absolutely. Whenever the subject comes up, we readily admit that this speculation can easily move beyond that which scripture reveals.

But let's review a few basic scriptural facts about God:
If we accept that God pre-existed His own creation and we accept that time is merely an aspect of creation that pertains to matter within God's creation, then we can readily see that God exists outside of and separate from His creation. Naturally, He acts within His creation at will. But He is not a part of it or subject to its physical constraints.

So, in what way doest the view I offered actually contradict scripture?

We have a very matter-centric view of these matters, being incapable of much else. But God is not a material being. At the risk of nihilism, I would say that the matter of time and matter and creation are inherently incomprehensible to mere creations and I suspect that our view of 'reality' isn't much better than a dog's in God's estimation. The Bible does, however, sufficiently reveal God's will for us but it is not a physics textbook. God looks on the heart, not on the mind.
97 posted on 01/22/2003 8:30:40 AM PST by George W. Bush
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